RE: [Histonet] RE: IHC and State requirements

From:"Mike Pence"

Well put Rene!

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:57 AM
To: Patricia Adams; Bernice Frederick; HistoNet
Subject: RE: [Histonet] RE: IHC and State requirements

That is exactly my contention in an article I just finished about wages in histology.
  When you apply to a job, or negotiate your salary, you are not applying as part of a group or class, you are negotiating your personal salary and your experience and abilities are personal, particular, independent of that of others, with or without a title.
  From all the people I have supervised I have had the best amongst those with lower academic levels, and, viceversa!
  The title and the studies qualify you for a title, but does not habilitate you for the tasks! René J.

Patricia Adams  wrote:
  I am a HT, but have been doing IHC since it was
manual, doing up to 15 different antibodies at a
time and kept it all straight in my head. I am
not sure that having an HLT would have helped
with that. So where do some of us "older" techs
fit into the scheme of things. How do we let the
people hiring know that even though we do not
have the title, we know what we are doing?
--- Bernice Frederick

> Hazel,
> I agree with you- I know people who are
> grandfathered and took the exam.
> I've met one person who helped create the HTL
> certification requirements.
> I'm just an HTL but do agree that some have the
> HTL but only know basic
> histo. I know of some institutions where an HTL
> is preferred when it comes
> to IHC (based on the BS). My pet peeve is
> post-docs that think they know
> everything but can't comprehend histo and
> thinek they can do microtomy. We
> require certification for those people that are
> cutting blocks that are
> human cancer trial specimens (a long story)
> Bernice
> Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP)
> Northwestern University
> Pathology Core Facility
> 710 N Fairbanks Court
> Olson 8-421
> Chicago,IL 60611
> 312-503-3723
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel
> V
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:54 AM
> To: Kim Tournear;
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] RE: IHC and State
> requirements
> Being grandfathered in did not mean they just
> gave you the title of HTL.
> The grandfathered HTL's had to pass the tests
> just like anyone else!
> Hazel Horn
> Hazel Horn, HT/HTL (ASCP)
> Supervisor of Histology
> Arkansas Children's Hospital
> 800 Marshall Slot 820
> Little Rock, AR 72202
> phone 501.364.4240
> fax 501.364.3912
> visit us on the web at:
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Kim
> Tournear
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:27 AM
> To:
> Subject: [Histonet] RE: IHC and State
> requirements
> Hi Michelle,
> A lot employers will except either HT or HTL.
> And of course, how much
> experience you have under your belt is also a
> big consideration. I
> think a lot of employers are finding out just
> how hard it is to find
> techs (registered or not) that can do the job
> and do it well, although
> there are a few states with their own state
> requirements which would
> require the tech to be ASCP certified either
> way.
> I have found that being an HTL vs HT doesn't
> necessarily mean that one
> or the other can do the job better...I know a
> few HTL's that were
> grandfathered in and have done only a handful
> IHCs in their whole
> career, can't trouble shoot anything, and
> produce poor quality slides
> and yet they hold the title of an HTL and the
> same goes for the
> HTs...(makes you wonder how they keep a
> job)...LOL....and I have taught
> and worked with students right out of college
> programs that were
> absolutely awesome and knew their stuff....go
> figure.....I say go for
> it.....Good Luck....
> Kim Tournear, HT (ASCP), QIHC ( ASCP)
> Specialists in Dermatology
> Histology/Mohs Supervisor
> Tucson, AZ
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