But if for instance you starting working in a histology lab in 1960, were trained on the job, had no theoretical training and "all of the sudden" the State required the histotechs you to have a State license (like in Florida) you were allowed to keep working without having to pass any test, you were "grandfathered" into a license that allowed you to keep working, now with the designation of histotech.
  René J.

"Achstetter, Virginia A."  wrote:
  The grandfather clause, I remember it well, did not GIVE you an HTL, it just allowed you to take the HTL exam without the other requirements of education. So, if you only had a high school education but had been a registered HT for say 10 years, you were allowed to take the exam. 

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1. RE: histotechs (Patsy Ruegg)
2. RE: Histotechs: how many are we nationwide? (Weems, Joyce)
3. RE: phalloidin? (Weems, Joyce)
4. RE: Histotechs: how many are we nationwide? (Rene J Buesa)
5. RE: Histotechs: how many are we nationwide? (Dawson, Glen)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:52:39 -0600
From: "Patsy Ruegg" 

Subject: RE: [Histonet] histotechs
To: "'Rene J Buesa'" , "'Dolores Townsend'"
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You do not have to pay dues to ASCP to stay registered as an HT. The one time exam and certification is for life. Once you are certified by ASCP you can always call yourself an HT. They have initiated a continuing education requirement for those new HT's taking their certification, now you must submit proof of CEU's to maintain your certification.
Patsy

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[mailto:histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:00 AM
To: Dolores Townsend; Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; failm@musc.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] histotechs

Dolores:
Not only how many are paying their dues, but how many are already DEAD or RETIRED?
Remember that those figures go back to certifications from 1948 (HT) and 1980 (HTL).
I for one am retired (one HTL less from the count!).
René J.

Dolores Townsend wrote:
The number given for ASCP registered HT and HTL seems awfully low to me. So, another thing to consider: of those ASCP registered, how many are actually paying their dues to the ASCP and counted in the total? If only half of all HTs and HTLs are counted, that brings the numbers even higher.
Going back to experience vs. certification, I worked for a small hospital and was HT, ASCP but some snotty MT once told me that we were not "real"
techs. What is that suppose to mean? I'd like to see her do my job any day and see how she would get along...

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:52:59 -0400
From: "Weems, Joyce" 
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histotechs: how many are we nationwide?
To: "Patsy Ruegg" 
, "Rene J Buesa"
, "LuAnn Anderson" ,

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And you all must know that we now should be saying "Grandparented" in - instead of Grandfathered... a bit of Friday humor (very light I know) j:>)

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[mailto:histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Patsy
Ruegg
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:49 PM
To: 'Rene J Buesa'; 'LuAnn Anderson'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histotechs: how many are we nationwide?


Rene,
I have never heard of anyone being "grandfathered" in as an HT. Perhaps you
are speaking of when the HTL certification first began around 1980? At that
time if you were a certified HT with so many years of experience (?10) you
could be grandfathered in as an HTL without having the required BS degree,
but I believe you still had to take the HTL exam. ASCP certifies HT/HTL's
and they do have an eligibility route which may include OJT but everyone has
to take the exam to be called an HT. I know there are plenty of people
working and doing a good job who do not have the certification from ASCP, so
why don't they just try to take the exam and get the certification?
Allowing anyone doing histology work to be called an HT would I believe
diminish the significance of those of us who have bothered to be recognized
as professionally certified by ASCP. Medical technology is a field that is
regulated requiring that those in laboratory medicine be certified to do the
test for patients that matter so much in their health care. Would you want
just anybody performing such tests on you or your loved ones?
Patsy

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[mailto:histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:19 AM
To: LuAnn Anderson; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histotechs: how many are we nationwide?

Well I think we have been "flamming" since yesterday!
Have a nice weekend!
René J.

LuAnn Anderson wrote:
Don't have a clue. How's this for "flaming Fridays"????? :o)


At 10:36 AM 10/6/2006, Rene J Buesa wrote:
LuAnn:
I write "HT" because it has less letters than writing "histotech", no
reference to the "Histotechnician" ASCP title. It is just easier to type!
But again: with that in mind: what do you think: are we 49,000?; less?'
more?
René J.

LuAnn Anderson wrote:

I never said nor did I imply that people who are not certified are not
capable of doing a good job. I know very well that they can--I have trained
many myself. I simply said that if you are asking for the number of "HT's"
then you would need to be counting those certified--just because one is
doing histology does not give them the title of HT--technically one must
pass the registry to have that title. If you are just looking for the total
number of people who work in histology labs--then that is a different
question all together.~~LuAnn




At 07:45 AM 10/6/2006, Rene J Buesa wrote:

And who says I don't call them HTs?

For me any person doing histology work is an HT; have you forgotten how
many "trained just on the job" HTs were grandfathered when a license was a
requirement?

Is a fantastic section or a beautiful trichrome done better by somebody
accredited over somebody with the right experience? (Another "can of
worms").

This is just a "number" of HTs nationwide = how many of us are doing the
slides on which the pathologists base their diagnosis.

René J.


Douglas D Deltour wrote: 
Can of worms... 
If you pass a NAACLS accredited school or get a degree in histology then
why 
wouldn't you call them a HT?


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Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 4:30 PM 
To: Rene J Buesa; LaDonna G. Elpers; Jackie M O'Connor; Zajic Kari 
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histotechs: how many are we nationwide?

I think that certification should be the issue. 
One does not truly have the title of HTif they 
have not passed the registry exam. JMHO.

At 02:47 PM 10/5/2006, Rene J Buesa wrote: 
>No, certification is not the issue, just how 
>many HTs there are, how many of us share this art of histology? 
> René J. 
> 
>"LaDonna G. Elpers" wrote: 
> Our facility has 6 Histology Technicians, my 
> guess would be that there are probably another 
> 15 in our town. The question would be if we 
> talking about those certified only? We are 
> currently half and half, 3 certified and 3 not. 
> 
>LaDonna G. Elpers, BA, HT(ASCP) 
>Manager, Histology 
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> www.bioanalytical.com 
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> 
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>From: histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
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>On Behalf Of Jackie M O'Connor 
>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:46 PM 
>To: Zajic Kari 
>Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
>histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
>Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histotechs: how many are we nationwide? 
> 
>What about those of us who are doing the work of four people? Does that

>count? 
>JO'C 
> 
> 
> 
>"Zajic Kari" 
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>Subject 
>RE: [Histonet] Histotechs: how many are we nationwide? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Hi Rene, I enjoyed your recent article in the new Advance, was very 
>interesting! I am only one in my facility, a general hospital. If you
are 
>taking count!! :) 
> 
>You have now inspired me to re-new my severly overdue membership with
the 
>NSH. 
>Cheers from West Palm! 
>Kari :) 
> 
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>Buesa 
>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:32 PM 
>To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
>Subject: [Histonet] Histotechs: how many are we nationwide? 
> 
> 
>Dear Histonet subscriber: 
> 
>The US Census does NOT recognize histotechs (HTs) as a category of 
>professionals (the NSH is going to try to do something about that during

>2007) so we do not know how many we are. Some indirect calculations are

>needed to answer that question. 
>According to the US Census bureau: 
> 
>1- there are 5,193 general and surgical hospitals and perhaps 95% of 
>them have a histology laboratory = 5,000 labs 
>2- the average number of HTs per lab = 9 (range from 1 to 15 or more in

>some). 
>So, in hospital settings there could be 5,000 x 9 = 45,000 HTs 
> 
>3- There are 4,084 institutions of higher education and perhaps 50% have

>some sort of histology lab, veterinary, marine, research, botany, etc. =

>2,000 histology labs. 
>4- those experimental labs have an average of 2 HTs (between 1 and 5, 
>sometimes up to 10) 
>So, in universities there could be 2,000 x 2 = 4,000 HTs 
> 
>Adding both = 49,000 histotechs nationwide. 
> 
>If membership to the NSH in 2006 (4,400 members) is any indicator (and

>usually prestigious professional societies are able to have a membership

>of roughly 10% of the profession) it can be said that the 4,400 members
in 
>2006 = 9% of the proposed number. 
> 
>What do you think? 
>Are we more than 49,000; less? or is 49,000 HTs about right? 
>René J. 
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:53:51 -0400
From: "Weems, Joyce" 
Subject: RE: [Histonet] phalloidin?
To: "Kathy Cormier" , 
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Thank you so much. I just googled and was trying to wade through all that stuff!!! j

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Subject: Re: [Histonet] phalloidin?


I just found out what is was last week, so I know what you are thinking...We just used it to stain filamentous actin in our tissue sections. We had a native population of cells that autofluoresced, and wanted to get "fluorescent H and E" to go along w/ it. It worked quite nicely, but it is really really toxic. 

Kathy
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Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Histonet] phalloidin?


Excuse my ignorance, but what is pahlloidin and what do you do with it?




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> Hello 'Netters, 
> 
> Does anyone know of any phalloidin replacement that works as nicely as 
> phalloidin, but safer to work with? (one never knows right?) We would be using 
> this on frozen mouse sections... 
> 
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:56:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rene J Buesa 
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histotechs: how many are we nationwide?
To: "Morken, Tim" ,
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Tim:
I could not have said it better (even if that is really easy, I mean, saying something better than me!).
Now since I get very focused (at times and while I am free from Al's grip; Alzheimer's I mean):
I have to understand that without much difficulty we could be more than the 49,000 I "guestimated"?

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