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Date: 18 Oct 2002 00:30:40 -0500
From: "J. A. Kiernan" 
Subject: Re: Paraffin temp for immuno's

Ross Stapf (or was it Patsy Ruegg) wrote:
> On searching ... why heat in paraffin ... might be more 
> detrimental than heat in antigen retrieval solution.
> ... can't find if anyone came to a conclusion that this was true ...
> I'm sure someone has studied this in order to come up with this 56

The cited temperature 56C must mean that this is another urban
laboratory
legend!  Anyone studying effects of wax temperature would
investigate
steps such as 50-55-60. An investigation with a precision of one
degree would need 20 lots of trials to cover the range, and what
agency would fund such a study? 

Several anecdotal Histonet replies have reported exactly the 
opposite - that temperatures well above the mid-50s does more 
good than harm when it comes to detecting antigens
immunohistochemically.
These informal reports, based on firt-hand experience, carry much
more
weight than "someone said that..." or a photocopy of some piece
of
paper found in a cardboard box. 

There is also a Common Wisdom of Immunohistochemistry that says
coagulation of proteins by heat or coagulant fixatives liberates
the epitopes of insolubilized protein molecules.
 
If the routine fixative everywhere was a simple alcohol-acetic
mixture, would there be any of these problems with masked
antigens?

- -- 
- -------------------------
John A. Kiernan
Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology
The University of Western Ontario
London,   Canada   N6A 5C1
   kiernan@uwo.ca
   http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/


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Date: 18 Oct 2002 01:00:36 -0500
From: jay cheung 
Subject: silver stain and flurojade staining

Hi, everyone:
 
I am currently running silver staining and fluoro-jade staining for detecting neuronal degeneration in rat brain fixed and fresh frozen sections.  I never ran these procedures before and the results I got from the first trial showed many non specific staining not limited to degenerating neurons.  Also, it seems like the PFA fixed tissue got more silver stain than the fresh post-fixed tissue.  Can someone tell me the mechanism of action of these staining procedures and what are the tricks about these procedures.  I did some research myself and so far have no luck finding out the answers for these questions.  I used FD silver stain kit to do the silver stain.  Thank you so much for your help!
 
Jay


Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! Click Here ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 02:00:37 -0500 From: jim Subject: Thickness Dear Histonetters has anyone had experience with myelin stains on thick sections i.e. 30-50 microns. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 03:45:29 -0500 From: naveeda@akunet.org Subject: lymph node biopsies dear histo netters any one of you can help me in our lab we are having problems with lymph node biopsies. the problem is that that some of our lymph node biopsies are cracked and some become hard. we receive samples from our hospital as well as from other hospitals the samples which we receive from ouside of our hospital have pH of buffered formalin sometimes around 6.0. does this has any effect on these biopsies. if any one can provide me lymph node biopsy processing and fixing protocol thanks naveeda - -- Naveeda Arshad Pathology Department Aga Khan university Hospital Karachi Pakistan - -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 04:00:53 -0500 From: Chris van der Loos Subject: Glucose Oxidase - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Chiriboga wrote: Date: 17 Oct 2002 11:07:15 -0500 From: Luis Chiriboga Subject: Glucose Oxidase Hi all Has anyone ever tried to detect Glucose oxidase enzyme activity directly in FF-PE tissues??? Any suggestions would be helpful Dear all, The application of GOX from Aspergillus niger as marker enzyme is theoretically ideal since the GOX enzyme is not present in mammals. During the 70-80ties GOX as enzymatic marker was even commercially available! However, in my hands and that of many others background of unknown origin occurred. As far as I am aware of nobody is using GOX anymore. For staining protocol see: Campbell and Bhatnagar, J Histochem Cytochem 24:448 (1976) and Clark et al J Histochem Cytochem 30:27 (1982) After removing some dust the following protocol appeared: Tris-HCl buffer (0.1 M, pH8.3) 5.0 ml b-D(+) glucose (Sigma G5250) 67 mg NBT (Sigma N6876) 5 mg/ml 1.34 ml pPMS (Sigma P9625) 1mg/2 ml dist. water 0.34 ml (keep in dark!) dist. water 3.33 ml Incubate at 37#161#C in the dark for 30-60 min wash with distilled water mount aqueously Success, Chris - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 04:31:01 -0500 From: Chris van der Loos Subject: RE: in situ hybridization course - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- Philip Wan wrote: Date: 17 Oct 2002 16:30:25 -0500 From: "Wan, Philip" Subject: in-situ hybridization Can anyone recommend any professional short training course classes for learning fluorescent in situ hybridization techniques? Particularly in relation to identifying gene copy number and chromosomal location. I figured since immunoassays in histology frequently utilize in situ hybridization techniques, someone here might just know of a course that would be of use to me. Thank you for your time, Phil Wan Dear Phil, You may find a good 1-week course in spring 2003 in Europe. Please check www.hbtc.nl. Move to "English", than click "in situ hybridization". You will find all info up here. Chris _--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 08:00:45 -0500 From: PMarcum Subject: RE: Paraffin temp for immuno's One issue for paraffin manufacturers is the lower the melt point of wax the softer the wax and the more additive we have to add. Most labs prefer a firmer paraffin without the stickiness of high additive thus we look at the 55-60C melt point paraffins as the base. The urban legend may have as much to do with what we like to cut as it does with reality of IHC. The lower melt points require much colder cutting conditions for excellent ribbons or a great deal of compression from a warming block. Pam Marcum > -----Original Message----- > From: J. A. Kiernan [mailto:jkiernan@uwo.ca] > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:19 AM > To: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu > Subject: Re: Paraffin temp for immuno's > > > Ross Stapf (or was it Patsy Ruegg) wrote: > > On searching ... why heat in paraffin ... might be more > > detrimental than heat in antigen retrieval solution. > > ... can't find if anyone came to a conclusion that this was true ... > > I'm sure someone has studied this in order to come up with this 56 > > The cited temperature 56C must mean that this is another urban > laboratory > legend! Anyone studying effects of wax temperature would > investigate > steps such as 50-55-60. An investigation with a precision of one > degree would need 20 lots of trials to cover the range, and what > agency would fund such a study? > > Several anecdotal Histonet replies have reported exactly the > opposite - that temperatures well above the mid-50s does more > good than harm when it comes to detecting antigens > immunohistochemically. > These informal reports, based on firt-hand experience, carry much > more > weight than "someone said that..." or a photocopy of some piece > of > paper found in a cardboard box. > > There is also a Common Wisdom of Immunohistochemistry that says > coagulation of proteins by heat or coagulant fixatives liberates > the epitopes of insolubilized protein molecules. > > If the routine fixative everywhere was a simple alcohol-acetic > mixture, would there be any of these problems with masked > antigens? > > -- > ------------------------- > John A. Kiernan > Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology > The University of Western Ontario > London, Canada N6A 5C1 > kiernan@uwo.ca > http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 08:01:06 -0500 From: "Johnston, Kathy" Subject: RE: Questions about staining solutions. We change our solutions for M. Trichromes every two weeks, and they are used daily with slide counts ranging from 5 to 50 or more per day. Kathy - -----Original Message----- From: Coleman, Jeffrey [mailto:jeffrey.coleman@canji.com] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:52 PM To: HistoNet Server (E-mail) Subject: Questions about staining solutions. I'm trying to set up a schedule for changing the stains we use in our Mikrom Robot Stainer. However, I'm having a problem figuring out how long some of the stains are usable. For H&E stains, I've found some literature suggesting the hematoxylin can be used for up to 6 months, some say 2 months, others say depending on the pH. Does anyone know what the pH for a good hematoxlin stain should be? How often should the hematoxylin be changed? We also use the Robot Stainer for Masson TriChrome stains. We've got a changing schedule for all the solutions except Biebrich Scarlet/Acid Fuchsin solution and Aniline Blue Stain solution. Any suggestions as to how often these solutions should be changed? Thanks in advance! Jeff Coleman Pharmacology, Canji Schering-Plough Co. *************************************************************** This message and any attachments is solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 08:31:13 -0500 From: MTitford@aol.com Subject: TB/anecdotal evidence I would like to add my two bits worth to the TB discussion. Anecdotal evidence is supposed to have no place in science, but here goes! TB is endemic here along the Gulf of Mexico coast. In the last year we have had two "outbreaks" of TB exposures.One was a foriegn student who died suddenly of TB and exposed other students. The second a local commercial fisherman who exposed others in his community. The health department is still working on the second case. In the college case, the local health department skin tested everyone who had been exposed. Those who were positive were X-rayed.(All at no cost). Just about everyone who had positive skin tests had negative X-rays. Those who were negative but were still worried because of exposure were offered the long course of medication. I get the impression that many convert for one reason or another, but few get the disease, because our standard of living is so much better now that when TB was a menace years ago. People who grew up in England in the 50's may have been given BCG, a type of immunization against TB which I think is no longer given. BCG gives you an automatic positive PPD which can put unknowing health care workers in a frenzy if they are unfamilier with BCG. Mike Titford Pathology USA Medical Center Mobile AL USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 08:46:03 -0500 From: DDittus787@aol.com Subject: Re: Questions about staining solutions. We change our stains weekly,basically we use slide volume rather than ph, but since the higher number of slides, the more carryover of alcohols or water from washes, then obviously ph changes,we change certain alcohols and xylenes daily, others we rotate all of course having an effect on the h&e quality.we also run a test h&e slide every morning, i suggest you may want to do this with your trichromes and can possibly determine maximum number of slides before quality gives out. just one more histotechs opinion. dana ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 09:01:04 -0500 From: silvia.2.pasquetto@gsk.com Subject: Courses.......... Does anybody know if there are courses about electron microscopy techniques that I, as a beginner, can't miss? "Chris van der Loos" 18-Oct-2002 11:19 To: histonet cc: Subject: RE: in situ hybridization course - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- Philip Wan wrote: Date: 17 Oct 2002 16:30:25 -0500 From: "Wan, Philip" Subject: in-situ hybridization Can anyone recommend any professional short training course classes for learning fluorescent in situ hybridization techniques? Particularly in relation to identifying gene copy number and chromosomal location. I figured since immunoassays in histology frequently utilize in situ hybridization techniques, someone here might just know of a course that would be of use to me. Thank you for your time, Phil Wan Dear Phil, You may find a good 1-week course in spring 2003 in Europe. Please check www.hbtc.nl. Move to "English", than click "in situ hybridization". You will find all info up here. 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Does anybody know if there are courses about electron microscopy techniques that I, as a beginner, can't miss?  


"Chris van der Loos" <c.m.vanderloos@amc.uva.nl>

18-Oct-2002 11:19

       
                       

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Philip Wan wrote:

Date: 17 Oct 2002 16:30:25 -0500
From: "Wan, Philip" <PWan@medarex.com>
Subject: in-situ hybridization
Can anyone recommend any professional short training course classes for
learning fluorescent in situ hybridization techniques? Particularly in
relation to identifying gene copy number and chromosomal location.
I figured since immunoassays in histology frequently utilize in situ
hybridization techniques, someone here might just know of a course that
would be of use to me.
Thank you for your time,
Phil Wan



Dear Phil,
You may find a good 1-week course in spring 2003 in Europe.
Please check www.hbtc.nl. Move to "English", than click "in situ
hybridization". You will find all info up here.
Chris
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Dear all,
I am looking for books / references which best describe histology, the subject and the job.
Do any of you histonetters know of any.
Thanks in advance.
Garry
 
 
PICR
UK

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- --Boundary_(ID_iIvu6Clv5CIukpuwD/ogKg)-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 09:30:40 -0500 From: Cynthia Favara Subject: RE: skull decalcification Matt, I have done fixed sucrose protected frozen sections and paraffin embedded sections on neonatal mice up to 2 weeks of age without decalcification. I have used a few strains of mice and found the skull cap to be thin enough to section with little or no difficulty. I found careful dissection after fixation to remove the lower jaw is necessary. As usual Gayle gave a good protocol for decalcification if necessary. Cynthia Favara NIAID/NIH/RML/LPVD 903 South 4th Street Hamilton, MT 59840 406-363-9317 - -----Original Message----- From: Matt McElwee [mailto:MCELWEE@surgery.wisc.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 8:15 AM To: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu Subject: skull decalcification Hi everyone. Does anyone have a good way to decalcify mouse skulls that doesn't shrink or otherwise alter the brain? We want to section mouse heads from neonates through 2 weeks of age. I know that we'll have to change the time that the brain is in the decalcifying solution, depending on the age of the mouse, but if anyone can recommend a good decalcifying solution or give any other advice, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you. Matt Matt McElwee Research Specialist Department of Surgery K4/617 Clinical Science Center 600 Highland Avenue Madison, WI 53792 (608) 263-7648 mcelwee@surgery.wisc.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 09:30:57 -0500 From: "Salcedo, Rudy" Subject: RE: frozen frog oocytes I'm having the same problem here. I agree with the temp but still working on it. Hope we get some response. Rudy Salcedo Research Assistant II SCEH&M Research Histopathology Core Lab UTMB-Galveston -----Original Message----- From: Andrea Grantham [mailto:algranth@u.arizona.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:53 PM To: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu Subject: frozen frog oocytes I'm trying to section Xenopus oocytes frozen in OCT with poor results. Lots of cracking and shattering. I'm figuring that temp plays a roll here and the little things are very "yolky". Is there anybody out in histonetland who may have done some sectioning of frog oocytes or something similar? I actually found a Xenopus histo book but no suggestions for cryosectioning. As is usually the case here, the labs bring the tissue already frozen in OCT. What can I suggest they do prior to or during freezing the make the sections cut better? Does anybody know an optimal temp for cutting frog oocytes? Thanks for any help. Andi Grantham ..................................................................... : Andrea Grantham, HT(ASCP) Dept. of Cell Biology & Anatomy : : Sr. Research Specialist University of Arizona : : (office: AHSC 4212) P.O. Box 245044 : : (voice: 520-626-4415) Tucson, AZ 85724-5044 USA : : (FAX: 520-626-2097) (email: algranth@u.arizona.edu) : :...................................................................: http://www.cba.arizona.edu/histology-lab.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 09:37:54 -0500 From: Nick Bullough Subject: RE: TB/anecdotal evidence Hi Mike, I'm only in my early 30's and was given BCG at school along with all my fellow pupils, so BCG was still in use about 15 years ago and still is today. In urban centres in the UK we have a major problem with immigrants from the Indian subcontinent coming in to the country infected with TB and passing it on to non-immunised people. Best regards Nick Nick Bullough BSc(Hons) AIBMS Scientist Bioresources Pharmagene plc 2 Orchard Road Royston Herts SG8 5HD UK nick.bullough@pharmagene.com - -----Original Message----- From: MTitford@aol.com [mailto:MTitford@aol.com] Sent: 18 October 2002 14:24 To: Histonet@pathology.swmed.edu Subject: TB/anecdotal evidence I would like to add my two bits worth to the TB discussion. Anecdotal evidence is supposed to have no place in science, but here goes! TB is endemic here along the Gulf of Mexico coast. In the last year we have had two "outbreaks" of TB exposures.One was a foriegn student who died suddenly of TB and exposed other students. The second a local commercial fisherman who exposed others in his community. The health department is still working on the second case. In the college case, the local health department skin tested everyone who had been exposed. Those who were positive were X-rayed.(All at no cost). Just about everyone who had positive skin tests had negative X-rays. Those who were negative but were still worried because of exposure were offered the long course of medication. I get the impression that many convert for one reason or another, but few get the disease, because our standard of living is so much better now that when TB was a menace years ago. People who grew up in England in the 50's may have been given BCG, a type of immunization against TB which I think is no longer given. BCG gives you an automatic positive PPD which can put unknowing health care workers in a frenzy if they are unfamilier with BCG. Mike Titford Pathology USA Medical Center Mobile AL USA **************************************************************************** ** This message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the addressee only and may contain information that is confidential or privileged. Unauthorised use is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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Luc Wallez, MD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 10:30:41 -0500 From: Nick Bullough Subject: RE: histology description Garry, Your best option would be to get in contact with the IBMS as they have plenty information on the job. The website is www.ibms.org (plus it all has a UK slant). Best regards Nick Nick Bullough BSc(Hons) AIBMS Scientist Bioresources Pharmagene plc 2 Orchard Road Royston Herts SG8 5HD UK nick.bullough@pharmagene.com - -----Original Message----- From: Garry Ashton [mailto:GAshton@PICR.man.ac.uk] Sent: 18 October 2002 14:49 To: 'histonet' Subject: histology description Dear all, I am looking for books / references which best describe histology, the subject and the job. Do any of you histonetters know of any. Thanks in advance. Garry PICR UK This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the Person(s) ('the intended recipient') to whom it was addressed. 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Garry,
 
Your best option would be to get in contact with the IBMS as they have plenty information on the job. The website is www.ibms.org (plus it all has a UK slant).
 
Best regards
 
Nick

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-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Ashton [mailto:GAshton@PICR.man.ac.uk]
Sent: 18 October 2002 14:49
To: 'histonet'
Subject: histology description

Dear all,
I am looking for books / references which best describe histology, the subject and the job.
Do any of you histonetters know of any.
Thanks in advance.
Garry
 
 
PICR
UK

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Regarding the silver method, there are lots of these and you'll need to provide more details, including a reference to the publication that describes the method you're using. Probably someone out a-histonetting will have experience with the same technique. Also, there is a special issue of J. Histotechnol. (Sept 1996) devoted to silver techniques, how they work, problems with them etc. 2. Fluoro-jade is a trade secret, revealed only as an anionic xanthene dye. That tells you it's in the same group as fluorescein and eosin. It stains dead and possibly also moribund neurons (LC Schmued et al 1997 Brain Research 751:37-46). It is a property of dead neurons and other cells that they stain with anionic dyes. They stain with eosin Y, for example, in H&E preparations (and it's worth noting that eosin is a good fluorochrome). Acid fuchsine is also useful for this purpose (RN Auer et al 1984 Acta Neuropath 64:177-191), and its mechanism of action has been partly elucidated (see Biotech. Histochem. 73:244-254, 1998). Unless someone has done a comparative study and shown that fluoro-jade is somehow superior to eosin (and I'm pretty sure nothing like this has been published), is it justifiable to use an unidentified secret substance in scientific work? Recently it has been shown that fluoro-jade stains reactive astrocytes as well as degenerating neurons (JA Colombo & VI Puissant 2002 J. Histochem. Cytochem. 50:1135-1137). This is hardly surprising; anionic dyes do stain cytoplasmic proteins, and reactive astrocytes are full of cytoskeletal filaments. 3. One final point - just in case you were trying to do silver and fluoro-jade on the samme sections, it probably won't work, because exposure to heavy metal ions quenches fluorescence. - -- - ------------------------- John A. Kiernan Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology The University of Western Ontario London, Canada N6A 5C1 kiernan@uwo.ca http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/ ______________________________________________ jay cheung wrote: > I am currently running silver staining and fluoro-jade staining > for detecting neuronal degeneration in rat brain fixed and > fresh frozen sections. I never ran these procedures before and > the results I got from the first trial showed many non specific > staining not limited to degenerating neurons. Also, it seems > like the PFA fixed tissue got more silver stain than the fresh > post-fixed tissue. Can someone tell me the mechanism of action > of these staining procedures and what are the tricks about > these procedures. I did some research myself and so far have > no luck finding out the answers for these questions. I used FD > silver stain kit to do the silver stain. Thank you so much for > your help! > > Jay > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! Click > Here ___________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 11:01:12 -0500 From: "J. A. Kiernan" Subject: Re: Thickness jim wrote: > has anyone had experience with myelin stains on thick sections i.e. 30-50 > microns. Yes, I have. The original luxol fast blue method works well on freezing microtome sections that have been dried down onto slides. Neutral red is a nice counterstain and it also intensifies the blue colour of the myelin. - -- - ------------------------- John A. Kiernan Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology The University of Western Ontario London, Canada N6A 5C1 kiernan@uwo.ca http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 11:01:29 -0500 From: "Dawson, Glen" Subject: RE: Paraffin temp for immuno's Ross, In my experience, paraffin temps aren't as important as "they" say. I've used paraffin @ 60 degrees for 3 years and had no problems. The first thing I look at when strange results show up is possible processing problems. Good Luck, Glen Dawson - -----Original Message----- From: Ross Stapf [mailto:rstapf@adventisthealthcare.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:05 PM To: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu Subject: Paraffin temp for immuno's Hi everyone: I was reading through Diagnostic Immunohistochemistry by Dabbs and came across a comment that paraffin temperatures should not exceed 56 degrees when doing immuno's on the tissue later. We have been trying to standardize our methods for optimal immuno results. We have the occasional case where the staining is not as expected. We are trying to eliminate as many of these problems as possible. Is the paraffin temp really that important? I am beginning to wonder if this is one of the reasons for those cases that should, but just don't stain positive. We have been using Paraplast and Paraplast xtra for over 10 years at 60 degrees. If I do experiment with a paraffin with a lower melting point, what can I expect? Will my techs have a harder time cutting the blocks? Will I need to increase my infiltration times? Turn around time is very important, I don't want techs complaining that they can't get good routine sections just to possibly fix an immuno variable. Also from my research so far the lower melting point paraffin is more expensive. Basically has anybody made a change in paraffin for this reason, and was it worth it? Ross Stapf Histology Supervisor Washington Adventist Hospital Takoma Park MD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 11:30:47 -0500 From: Histo-Scientific Research Laboratories Subject: Re: underprocessed tissue Dear Bob, Underprocessed tissue will either puff out of your block upon soaking on ice or it will be sunken into the block. It may be mushy to the touch and as you are facing or sectioning the block you will smell an odor of xylene and/or alcohol. - -Beth Poole HSRL- A GLP Compliant Laboratory 137 South Main Street Woodstock, VA 22664 (540)459-8211 fax: (540)459-8217 beth@hsrl.org www.hsrl.org - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: underprocessed tissue > > > What will an underprocessed piece of tissue that is embedded in a paraffin > block look like in the center of the tissue, and would you still be able to > section the tissue?? Fixation isn't an issue because this tissue (pig heart) > was in formalin for several days. > > Bob Meyer > Northwestern University > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 11:45:39 -0500 From: "Morken, Tim" Subject: RE: histology description Here are a couple websites that have basic info http://www.ascp.org/bor/medlab/careers/page4.asp http://www.nsh.org/whoweare/careerinfo.html - -----Original Message----- From: Garry Ashton [mailto:GAshton@PICR.man.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:49 AM To: 'histonet' Subject: histology description Dear all, I am looking for books / references which best describe histology, the subject and the job. Do any of you histonetters know of any. Thanks in advance. Garry PICR UK This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the Person(s) ('the intended recipient') to whom it was addressed. 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-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Ashton [mailto:GAshton@PICR.man.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:49 AM
To: 'histonet'
Subject: histology description

Dear all,
I am looking for books / references which best describe histology, the subject and the job.
Do any of you histonetters know of any.
Thanks in advance.
Garry
 
 
PICR
UK

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Carver College of Medicine University of Iowa 200 Hawkins Dr., 378 MRF Iowa City, IA 52242 Tel: (319) 384-8331 Mob: (319) 936-5487 Fax: (319) 353-6406 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 14:15:08 -0500 From: Eman Namati Subject: Re: Lung sectioning and Imaing I would like to get serial sections of an entire mouse lung. 3 micron thickness every 30 microns. For the human lung i would like to embedd the lung in half inch slabs of 200x150mm, so i can section it using a polycut microtome. I will be imaging these off the block of remaining tissue using a stereoscope placed above the microtome on a xyz gantry which will increase the field of view by acquiring multple shots and creating one high res image of the entire section. I would like to know if accurate serial sections through out an entire mouse lung using conventional methods is possible or not? and has anyone tried embedding whole human or sheep lung? Eman Namati Project Manager, Lung Image Database Consortium Roy J. and Lucille A. Carver College of Medicine University of Iowa 200 Hawkins Dr., 378 MRF Iowa City, IA 52242 Tel: (319) 384-8331 Mob: (319) 936-5487 Fax: (319) 353-6406 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 14:30:46 -0500 From: Histo-Scientific Research Laboratories Subject: Re: Lung sectioning and imaging Eman, We have done serial sectioning on whole mouse lungs and serial sections for specific lung lobes of rats. If you have any questions regarding this procedure feel free to give me a call directly. Sincerely, Tom Galati Laboratory Director HSRL- A GLP Compliant Laboratory 137 S. Main Street Woodstock, VA 22664 (540)459-8211 fax: (540)459-8217 www.hsrl.org tomgalati@hsrl.org - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eman Namati" To: "HistoNet Server" Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: Lung sectioning and imaging > I was wondering if anyone had embedded whole human or sheep lung? in MMA or > parafin? > and also if anyone had performed serial sections on a whole mouse lung > before? > > > > Eman Namati > Project Manager, Lung Image Database Consortium > Roy J. and Lucille A. Carver College of Medicine > University of Iowa > 200 Hawkins Dr., 378 MRF > Iowa City, IA 52242 > Tel: (319) 384-8331 > Mob: (319) 936-5487 > Fax: (319) 353-6406 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 14:31:11 -0500 From: Ross Stapf Subject: Re: Paraffin temp for immuno's Thank you to all who replied! It seems like the good news is that I don't need to make any changes to my paraffin. As the reference was a 2002 book which was recently recomended here on histonet, I thought maybe somebody knew something I hadn't heard of yet. I think I have enough comments printed out to appease my Immuno Pathologist if he comes across this reference like I did. Thank you all Ross Stapf >>> "J. A. Kiernan" 10/18/02 01:18AM >>> Ross Stapf (or was it Patsy Ruegg) wrote: > On searching ... why heat in paraffin ... might be more > detrimental than heat in antigen retrieval solution. > ... can't find if anyone came to a conclusion that this was true ... > I'm sure someone has studied this in order to come up with this 56 The cited temperature 56C must mean that this is another urban laboratory legend! Anyone studying effects of wax temperature would investigate steps such as 50-55-60. An investigation with a precision of one degree would need 20 lots of trials to cover the range, and what agency would fund such a study? Several anecdotal Histonet replies have reported exactly the opposite - that temperatures well above the mid-50s does more good than harm when it comes to detecting antigens immunohistochemically. These informal reports, based on firt-hand experience, carry much more weight than "someone said that..." or a photocopy of some piece of paper found in a cardboard box. There is also a Common Wisdom of Immunohistochemistry that says coagulation of proteins by heat or coagulant fixatives liberates the epitopes of insolubilized protein molecules. If the routine fixative everywhere was a simple alcohol-acetic mixture, would there be any of these problems with masked antigens? - -- - ------------------------- John A. Kiernan Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology The University of Western Ontario London, Canada N6A 5C1 kiernan@uwo.ca http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 15:15:38 -0500 From: hadams@mail.mdanderson.org Subject: cryostat recommendation issues Sorry, one other thing I forgot to include on cryostat prefs was service quality, a very important component of any purchase. If anyone would care to comment on frequency of repairs and the promptness of service when necessary I would be interested. Hank Adams Microscopy Core Molecular Genetics Department UT MD Anderson Cancer Center Houston, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 15:45:57 -0500 From: LINDA GORMAN Subject: tissue processors We currently are using two 20+ year old VIPs and are looking to replace one.We have no problem with purchasing another VIP,but we're trying to be open-minded and give others a chance.We are now demoing a Ventana Renasciance It appears to be doing a fine job but we are interested in the long term.Have others used this instrument and found it to be satisfactory?not Satisfactory?Please respond with your experiences.Thanks. Linda gorman KU Med ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 15:46:19 -0500 From: pruegg@colobio.com Subject: Re: TB Exposures I am sure CDC keeps track of this. Patsy "Jasper, Thomas" wrote: > My fellow histonetters, > > I would like to inquire about TB exposures. This would apply to histotechs, > PAs, pathologists, autopsy techs or any other lab personnel working in > anatomic pathology. Specifically, how many with a prior negative PPD > converted to a positive PPD after exposure to a known case? Demographics > will factor into this inquiry so if you choose to respond it would be > helpful to know where you're from. I do not wish to clog the net with > responses, but others on this list may have interest in this data. > Thanks! > > Thomas Jasper HT(ASCP)BAS > Anatomic Pathology Coordinator > SMDC Clinical Laboratory > Duluth, MN > tjasper@smdc.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 16:15:18 -0500 From: pruegg@colobio.com Subject: Re: Paraffin temp for immuno's As usual John enlightens us all. With the advent of HIER methods to unmask proteins cross-linked by formalin our understanding of the tissue biochemistry has changed, if we were not crosslinking the proteins with formalin to begin with, we would not have to go through all the tissue altering procedures (impossible to standardize from lab to lab) we do to access the antigen site. I have for years advocated avoiding !0%NBF for IHC studies. I have used zinc formalin myself for years and although it is not formaldehyde free, it does not require near the retrieval 10%NBF does. Enough for this soap box, I am afraid we have lost the battle to change the 10% NBF choice of a standard fixative. We prefer too much to look at archieval material which is already prepared this way, so we have to jump through hoops trying to get at those antigens and reproduce IHC results, hopefully in a standard way so the results can be compared from shop to shop. Nobody ever said this was easy, did they??? Patsy "J. A. Kiernan" wrote: > Ross Stapf (or was it Patsy Ruegg) wrote: > > On searching ... why heat in paraffin ... might be more > > detrimental than heat in antigen retrieval solution. > > ... can't find if anyone came to a conclusion that this was true ... > > I'm sure someone has studied this in order to come up with this 56 > > The cited temperature 56C must mean that this is another urban > laboratory > legend! Anyone studying effects of wax temperature would > investigate > steps such as 50-55-60. An investigation with a precision of one > degree would need 20 lots of trials to cover the range, and what > agency would fund such a study? > > Several anecdotal Histonet replies have reported exactly the > opposite - that temperatures well above the mid-50s does more > good than harm when it comes to detecting antigens > immunohistochemically. > These informal reports, based on firt-hand experience, carry much > more > weight than "someone said that..." or a photocopy of some piece > of > paper found in a cardboard box. > > There is also a Common Wisdom of Immunohistochemistry that says > coagulation of proteins by heat or coagulant fixatives liberates > the epitopes of insolubilized protein molecules. > > If the routine fixative everywhere was a simple alcohol-acetic > mixture, would there be any of these problems with masked > antigens? > > -- > ------------------------- > John A. Kiernan > Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology > The University of Western Ontario > London, Canada N6A 5C1 > kiernan@uwo.ca > http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2002 18:00:58 -0500 From: Patti Loykasek Subject: Re: Experience with CD4 and CD8 on paraffin sections? > Here1s our protocol for CD4 on paraffin embedded. I have found it to be a > astubborn1 antibody. Most of the time it works fine, but there are some less > than beautiful days. Hope this helps. > > Antibody: CD004 > Clone: 1F6 > Vendor: Novocastra > Antigen Retrieval: Steam 40 minutes in EDTA, pH8 > Titer/Incubation: 1:10 for 40 minutes at room temperature > Detection: DAKO Envision+, mouse for 30 minutes at room temperature > Chromogen: DAB > > Patti Loykasek > Phenopath Loykasek > Seattle, WA > > > > > Hello everyone, > I am shopping for antibodies against human CD4 and CD8 to be used on > paraffin-embedded tissue. I found 4 clones in NovoCastra, two against CD4 (1F6 > and 4B12) and two against CD8 (4B11 and 1A5). Does anyone have experience with > these clones? Thanks in advance, > Emmanuel Maicas, MD in Moncton, Canada > > ******************* NOTE ******************* There may be important message content contained in the following MIME Information. ******************************************** - ------------------ MIME Information follows ------------------ > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --Boundary_(ID_wTTi6YwKkIj2VSnqsZdH+g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE <<<<<< See above "Message Body" >>>>>> - --Boundary_(ID_wTTi6YwKkIj2VSnqsZdH+g) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: Experience with CD4 and CD8 on paraffin sections?
Here’s our protocol for CD4 on paraffin embedded. I have found it to be a ‘stubborn’ antibody. Most of the time it works fine, but there are some less than beautiful days. Hope this helps.

Antibody: CD004
Clone: 1F6
Vendor: Novocastra
Antigen Retrieval: Steam 40 minutes in EDTA, pH8
Titer/Incubation: 1:10 for 40 minutes at room temperature
Detection: DAKO Envision+, mouse for 30 minutes at room temperature
Chromogen: DAB

Patti Loykasek
Phenopath Loykasek
Seattle, WA




Hello everyone,
    I am shopping for antibodies against human CD4 and CD8 to be used on paraffin-embedded tissue. I found 4 clones in NovoCastra, two against CD4 (1F6 and 4B12) and two against CD8 (4B11 and 1A5). Does anyone have experience with these clones? Thanks in advance,
Emmanuel Maicas, MD in Moncton, Canada


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