Biomedical Scientist Training
I have been reading with interest about the shortage of histology
technicians and felt I had to include my experiences of the situation. I
am a biology graduate with 5 years post-graduate experience in the
laboratory, however, for the last couple of years I have been keen to
secure a position that offered some permanancy and career prospects, while
remaining in the lab, rather than pursuing contract jobs as frequently
offered by universities. Therefore, I decided I would go down the
biomedical scientist route as this would appear to offer more job security,
together with the job satisfaction of working in a patient care
environment. However, on assessment of my degree it was found to be
unaccredited, even to the extent that the post-graduate certificate would
not top up my qualifications to give me accreditation to become state
registered. The only way I could become a trainee biomedical scientist
would be to enrol on a part-time Masters course and secure a trainee
position. I was quite prepared to do this, despite it meaning I would
take a significant pay cut and start at the bottom of the ladder and was
accepted on the course. I even managed to get several interviews for
trainee positions and received positive feedback about my suitability,
however, I always missed out on the position because it would take so long
to become fully qualified and state registered (it takes 3 years to do the
Masters part-time, therfore, would have to be a trainee for 3 years),
despite the fact that I would probably have been able to learn the job
after 12 months.
Therefore, when I was offered a position with my current employers to set
up the histology in their new company on a decent and permanant salary, I
was more than pleased to accept it. I hadn't done any histology before,
but as I had worked for the same people in another lab a couple of years
before, they had the faith in me to learn the job. I have now been working
here for 2 months and the histology is going well.
Regards,
Nicola Cragg
Epistem Ltd.
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 13:10:59 -0500
From: "Bartlett, Jeanine"
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
When I was a sophomore in college, way back in 1975/76, I was talking to my
advisor about where I wanted to go with my college career. I was
interested
in biology but did not want to be a doctor or a nurse. She advised me to
look into a variety of things, one of which was histology. I had never
heard of it. I visited hospitals and looked into the various fields she
suggested but the first time I walked into a histology lab and smelled the
xylene I knew I was hooked. (Figuratively speaking, of course!) The only
bad part was when I told her my decision she said, "Oh! That doesn't even
require college, you can go straight into the 12 month program if you're
accepted." (And I've been trying to go back and complete that degree ever
since, but that's another story for another time!) I guess what I'd like to
know is this: Do high school and college advisors discuss the career of
histology when talking to students about the laboratory sciences? Last
fall
my son was taking an anatomy course in high school. When they came to the
histology portion I asked to come and speak to the class. I came armed
with
literature that I ordered from NSH about the field and distributed it and
answered questions. Most of the students seemed very interested. I left
the surplus literature with the counselors office. Now if we could just get
more people to help get the word out it might just be a start.
Jeanine Bartlett, HT(ASCP)
Centers for Disease Control
Infectious Disease Pathology Activity
1600 Clifton Rd., N.E. MS-G32
Atlanta, GA 30333
- -----Original Message-----
From: PMarcum [mailto:pmarcum@polysciences.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:17 PM
To: JOE NOCITO; Morken, Tim; histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
It would be hard to saturate a market that is in the grips of the shortage
we have. We (meaning us older histotechs) need to get out and talk to more
of the high school career day students and community colleges as well as
push for better training and more schools. Unfortunately we have a problem
most are too busy to it.
We keep waiting for NSH or ASCP to help and they are limited also. I run
into people all of the time who have no idea what Histology is, so how
would
they even know where to look to find out about a career.
We need to get loud!!! Doesn't anybody remember how to organize a protest
anymore? We need to reverse it and find a way to get attention for a
career
and rewards in Histology. If we start to get better people and train them
(along with how to ask for more money) we will get what we want. Pam
Marcum
(Neil and Patsy had some very good points.)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JOE NOCITO [mailto:JNOCITO@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:31 PM
> To: Morken, Tim; histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
> Subject: Re: The future of Histotechs
>
>
> I know some cities in Texas are setting up histology programs at the
> community college level. Here in San Antonio, our third class just
> graduated in August and we just started another class of 10 students.
> When we started the program here in San Antonio, the question
> that came
> to mind first was "are we going to saturate the market?" Well, up to
this
> point, no. After three classes, there are still shortages in San
> Antonio and
> I know a lot more in Houston, Dallas and El Paso.
>
> Joe Nocito, BS, HT (ASCP) QIHC
> Histology Manager
> Pathology Reference Lab
> San Antonio, Texas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Morken, Tim"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:30 AM
> Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
>
>
> > The school issue is kind of moot since there are so few histo schools
> around
> > (I think 24 in all the US at last count). In meeting hundreds of
> histotechs
> > over the years, only a handfull went through a histo program. The vast
> > majority are on-the-job trained. Granting that the ideal tech is
> > specifically trained, I feel the real issue is that people are
> unaware the
> > field even exists. That is a failing of pathologists and lab
> managers, in
> my
> > opinion, who have ignored their duty to get people interested in the
> field.
> > Are histotechs really supposed to feel a responsibility to go out and
> > recruit their replacement, even in light of any feeling loyalty they
may
> > feel to the profession?
> >
> > BTW, the Atlanta Journal Constitution has a sunday feature called Why I
> Love
> > My Job. Beside the main story they put a side panel Called "hot
> jobs". Two
> > weeks ago they highlighted histotechnology, and did a good job of it.
> >
> > some are taking the bull by the horns and opening new schools.
> There is a
> > new one at Dalton College in Albany Georgia, and a new one
> opened a couple
> > years ago in Califorina (mt san antonio college).
> unfortunately, one also
> > closed in seattle, leaving the entire west coast with only one histo
> school
> > - still.
> >
> > Hmmm, maybe THAT is the new career path!
> >
> > Tim Morken
> > Atlanta
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bartlett, Jeanine
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:56 AM
> > To: 'Dawson, Glen'; Morken, Tim; histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
> > Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
> >
> >
> > Another issue is that the graduates that do come into the field
> usually do
> > not then attend a school of histotechnology. So you have educated
> > individuals being "trained on the job". And we all know that
> learning as
> > you go is not the same as a structured 12-24 month program with the
> > concentration that you receive in an accredited program. But how many
> > college graduates want to take on the additional training at the salary
> that
> > is usually offered? So we have that "anybody walking in can be
> trained to
> > do this job" mentality. I know of individuals that have walked
> into a lab
> > with a degree but no histology laboratory experience at all and
> are hired
> at
> > a higher salary than those without the degree but with formal histology
> > training. That does not help the perception of our chosen field.
> >
> > Jeanine Bartlett, HT(ASCP)
> > Centers for Disease Control
> > Infectious Disease Pathology Activity
> > 1600 Clifton Rd., N.E. MS-G32
> > Atlanta, GA 30333
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dawson, Glen [mailto:GDawson@Milw.Dynacare.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:30 AM
> > To: Morken, Tim; histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
> > Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
> >
> >
> > I hope you are right Tim. There is a huge resource that histology
could
> tap
> > into; college graduates with a bachelor's degree in Biology since many
> > finish school and cannot find a job that they are qualified for. The
> > problem is that it is difficult approaching these graduates with a
> > histotech's salary without apologizing for the low figure. These folks
> > would be great additions to the histology lab but, as of now,
> the rewards
> of
> > histology aren't good enough to entice them in.
> > I fear that the field is so low on the perceived "importance totem
pole"
> > that the crisis will be MAJOR before lab management truly addresses the
> > problem. I have an interesting take on the histology situation from
one
> > mavery@pcllab.com, a lab manager who's views on the field were so low,
I
> > can't post them to this listserver for fear he may never receive a
> Christmas
> > card from any of us again. Until the perception of histology
> as a second
> > rate lab service is shaken, I fear that changes will be too
> slow to avert
> a
> > crisis.
> >
> > Glen Dawson.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Morken, Tim [mailto:tim9@cdc.gov]
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:50 AM
> > To: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
> > Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
> >
> >
> > Although I'm sure a lot of histotechs will retire in the next
> 10-15 years,
> I
> > don't believe it will be in the 50 - 70 percent range. One
> reason is that
> as
> > the shortage becomes worse, the pay goes up and labs will
> accomadate older
> > techs with incentives to keep them working longer - even as part
timers.
> > I've already seen ads for partimers with full benefits. And per
> diem work
> > may beome common place. So, more realistically it may be more in the 30
> > percent range, which is still bad!
> >
> > One bit of practical experience with this, from another field. My
mother
> is
> > a retired teacher who has been working about 75 percent of the
> time since
> > she retired. The benefit to her is she gets to pick her assignment, is
> given
> > full benefits and doesn't worry about all the extra stuff
> teachers have to
> > do these days. i thing something similar will happen with histotechs.
> >
> > Tim Morken
> > Atlanta
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kevin williams [mailto:akwilliams75@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:48 AM
> > To: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
> > Subject: The future of Histotechs
> >
> >
> >
> > At a one of the meetings at the ASCP in California there was an
> interesting
> > observation. I understand that in the next 5- 10 years between 50-70%
of
> > histologists are going to retire.
> > Can anyone tell me if there is definative research and where to get my
> hands
> >
> > on it.
> > Thanks in advance
> > A. Kevin Williams
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> >
>
>
>
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 13:31:09 -0500
From: "Morken, Tim"
Subject: Project Micro to help promote histology or other microscopy
field s
Here is a link to the project micro website.
http://www.msa.microscopy.com/ProjectMicro/PMHomePage.html
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 13:31:55 -0500
From: Kathy
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 13:45:56 -0500
From: james.zimmerman@pharma.novartis.com
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
30 years ago I took a course in Histology because it was required as part
of the curriculum for a Biology Major. Do they not offer
courses in Histology in college anymore?
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 13:46:11 -0500
From: "Histologyjobs.com"
Subject: New Job Postings
Hello Histonetters,
I just wanted to update you on some new positions we have
recently added to Histologyjobs.com:
Cytotechs - Unipath - Denver, CO
Histotechs - Unipath - Denver, CO
Histotechnician-Cornell University, College of Veterinary Medicine
Histotechnologist-Memorial Healthcare System-Hollywood, FL
Just to name a few.
Please go to http://histologyjobs.com to view all
postings across the country or to post your open positions.
Thanks,
Scott Glasgow
VP of Operations
LabSites
http://www.jobs4radiology.com
http://www.histologyjobs.com
http://www.jobs4medtechs.com
http://www.mynursejobs.com
http://www.jobs4pharmacy.com
http://www.jobs4rehab.com
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 14:45:37 -0500
From: Vinnie Della Speranza
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
Don and others,
I'll jump in now because Don's question points out to me that many are
unaware that Sakura has prepared a career video for the NSH that is
available from the NSH office. I think it runs about 15 minutes and
explain what we do in histology and how one can enter the field. They
also publish a career booklet entitled "The ARt and Science of
Histotechnology" that includes a listing of histo programs. Don't hold
me to this last piece but I think I heard that Sakura may be updating
the booklet and video now. the booklet I have was printed in 1995
These materials are available through the NSH office to anyone who has
an interest in speaking to local high schools. When I was region 1
director several years ago, I obtained career videos and booklets for
each state in the region so that those states could encourage and equip
individuals like us at the local level to speak to the kids in high
school. Obviously NSH doesn't have the resources to send people to speak
at your local high school but it can provide you with resources that
will help you to do so.
Vinnie Della Speranza
Manager for Anatomic Pathology Services
Medical University of South Carolina
165 Ashley Avenue Suite 309
Charleston, SC 29425
Ph: 843-792-6353
fax: 843-792-8974
>>> Don Skaggs 10/23/02 09:17AM >>>
Tim Morken wrote:
"I feel the real issue is that people are unaware the field even
exists."
I believe Tim hit the nail on the head, and now I feel compelled to
throw in my 2 cents. Is there any way histology could be promoted at a
high school level? With all it's hands-on science, I think histology
could be a very interesting part of a high school biology class. Or it
could even be integrated into some broader college science classes.
Which leads me to another question: who could/would promote it? NSH or
state societies? Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If you
build it, will they come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind here.
"You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul Harvey
Don Skaggs
dskaggs@mindspring.com
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Don and others,
I'll jump in now because Don's question points out to me that many are
unaware that Sakura has prepared a career video for the NSH that is
available
from the NSH office. I think it runs about 15 minutes and explain what we
do
in
histology and how one can enter the field. They also publish a career
booklet
entitled "The ARt and Science of Histotechnology" that includes a
listing
of histo programs. Don't hold me to this last piece but I think I heard
that
Sakura may be updating the booklet and video now. the booklet I have was
printed
in 1995
These materials are available through the NSH office to anyone who has
an
interest in speaking to local high schools. When I was region 1 director
several
years ago, I obtained career videos and booklets for each state in the
region
so
that those states could encourage and equip individuals like us at the
local
level to speak to the kids in high school. Obviously NSH doesn't have the
resources to send people to speak at your local high school but it can
provide
you with resources that will help you to do so.
Vinnie Della Speranza
Manager for Anatomic Pathology
Services
Medical
University of South Carolina
165 Ashley Avenue Suite
309
Charleston,
SC 29425
Ph: 843-792-6353
fax: 843-792-8974
>>> Don
Skaggs
<dskaggs@mindspring.com> 10/23/02 09:17AM >>>
Tim Morken
wrote:
"I feel the real issue is that people are unaware the field
even
exists."
I believe Tim hit the nail on the head, and now I feel
compelled
to throw in my 2 cents. Is there any way histology could be promoted
at
a
high school level? With all it's hands-on science, I think histology
could
be a very interesting part of a high school biology class. Or it
could
even be integrated into some broader college science classes. Which
leads
me to another question: who could/would promote it? NSH or state
societies? Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If you
build
it,
will they come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind here.
"You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul Harvey
Don
Skaggs
dskaggs@mindspring.com
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 14:48:51 -0500
From: "Morken, Tim"
Subject: Getting it done: was RE: The future of Histotechs
Don, I seem to remember an unwritten rule, namely, he/she who suggests it
is
the first elected to DO it! And that is not totally facetious.
Here is a link for helping in schools by doing microscopy, and at the same
time promoting a microscopy-related profession:
http://www.msa.microscopy.com/ProjectMicro/PMHomePage.html
Tim Morken
Atlanta
- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Skaggs [mailto:dskaggs@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:17 AM
To: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
Tim Morken wrote:
"I feel the real issue is that people are unaware the field even exists."
I believe Tim hit the nail on the head, and now I feel compelled to throw
in
my 2 cents. Is there any way histology could be promoted at a high school
level? With all it's hands-on science, I think histology could be a very
interesting part of a high school biology class. Or it could even be
integrated into some broader college science classes. Which leads me to
another question: who could/would promote it? NSH or state societies?
Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If you build it, will they
come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind here.
"You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul Harvey
Don Skaggs
dskaggs@mindspring.com
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 14:49:06 -0500
From: THERESA ROHR
Subject: Tissue Bank
I was wondering if you have a Tissue Bank. I am looking for Gram specimen
and Spirochete.
Thanks,
Theresa Rohr, BA HT(ASCP)
Nyack Hospital
160 North Midland Avenue
Nyack, NY 10960
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 14:49:24 -0500
From: Michael Fredrickson
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
In Boston, the Private Industry Council, in cooperation with some of the
major
teaching hospitals place high school students in real jobs as part of a
school
to work program. The students work 15 hours per week during the school
year
and 40 hours during the summer.
As part of this program we have always had students working in the
histology
lab. They assist with the some of the clerical functions as well as learn
the
basics of histology (H&E staining, coverslipping, labeling etc.) During the
first summer they are taught embedding and cutting. I am happy to say that
several of these students have remained in the lab as full time employees
after high school or use their histology skills while attending college.
Mike Fredrickson
mfredrickson@cohenderm.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Skaggs [mailto:dskaggs@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:17 AM
To: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
Tim Morken wrote:
"I feel the real issue is that people are unaware the field even exists."
I believe Tim hit the nail on the head, and now I feel compelled to throw
in
my 2 cents. Is there any way histology could be promoted at a high school
level? With all it's hands-on science, I think histology could be a very
interesting part of a high school biology class. Or it could even be
integrated into some broader college science classes. Which leads me to
another question: who could/would promote it? NSH or state societies?
Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If you build it, will they
come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind here.
"You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul Harvey
Don Skaggs
dskaggs@mindspring.com
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 15:01:04 -0500
From: "Hoye, Glenda F. (Fka Hood)"
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
Another of my 2-cents....
ASCP actually took out a full-page ad in the Biology Teachers journal or
magazine recently, with information about the laboratory fields certified
by
ASCP as a viable option for biology-minded people.
Also, there's nothing wrong with targeting even younger audiences -- get
involved with elementary, middle and high schools for career day
participation
-- you don't have to be smooth, just excited about your jobs! NSH and ASCP
have materials that you can use as hand-outs, or take some slides to show
under a scope -- maybe a section of a hot dog or a a worm for the little
ones!
All this talk is great! keep it up and get us into action!
Glenda Hoye, again
- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Skaggs [mailto:dskaggs@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:17 AM
To: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
Tim Morken wrote:
"I feel the real issue is that people are unaware the field even exists."
I believe Tim hit the nail on the head, and now I feel compelled to throw
in
my 2 cents. Is there any way histology could be promoted at a high school
level? With all it's hands-on science, I think histology could be a very
interesting part of a high school biology class. Or it could even be
integrated into some broader college science classes. Which leads me to
another question: who could/would promote it? NSH or state societies?
Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If you build it, will they
come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind here.
"You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul Harvey
Don Skaggs
dskaggs@mindspring.com
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 16:00:10 -0500
From: "Johnson, Teri"
Subject: RE: sectioning hot dogs
Glenda Hoye wrote: or take some slides to show under a scope --
maybe
a section of a hot dog or a worm for the little ones!
Good idea for the little ones. Just don't do this to a pathologist. We
did
this once, years ago (as a joke), H&E stained it, and the good doctor took
one
look under the scope and never ate another one. Said at that magnification
it
looked like a gangrenous limb....
Take-home message is...don't look at gangrenous limbs under a microscope!
Teri Johnson
Managing Director Histology Core Facility
Stowers Institute for Medical Research
1000 E. 50th St.
Kansas City, Missouri 64110
tjj@stowers-institute.org
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 16:31:23 -0500
From: "J. A. Kiernan"
Subject: Re:
Try chrome-gelatin. See
http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/filelist.htm#ADHESIVS
for more information.
- --
- -------------------------
John A. Kiernan
Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology
The University of Western Ontario
London, Canada N6A 5C1
kiernan@uwo.ca
http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/
_________________________
Jean Boote wrote:
>
> I am having a problem keeping tissue on slides when using a high pH (pH
8.0)
> Antigen Retrieval Solution. I have found that using polylisine slides
work
> better than charged slides, and I have tried different drying techniques
but
> I am still having problems. Any advise you can give me will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thank you.
> Jean Boote
> Avera Mckennan Hospital
> Sioux Falls,SD
__________________________
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 17:15:39 -0500
From: Jackie.O'Connor@abbott.com
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
I sectioned a bratwurst for a German Pathologist once - he never ate
bratwurst
again. When my kids were younger, I provided their grammar schools with
sections of brains, tonsils, appendix - stuff they have heard of. They
liked
it much better than looking at fly wings or human hair under the scope.
Later on I provided a high school biology class with a beautiful section of
a
full term mouse embryo in utero that perfectly showed the placental and
fetal
attachment of the umbilical cord, and an absorption site next to the intact
fetus. It was a beautiful slide. (I've also showed slides of hands and
feet
from various weeks-old fetuses to demonstrate that it's more than a blob of
cells - but that's another soapbox). My kids grew up telling their
friends
that their Mom worked in the 'parts department' of the hospital - their
friends were always fascinated if they were allowed a tour of the lab. I
agree we need to start educating kids to get interested in this field -
it's
never going to go away even when we do. There will just be more and more
under-trained people attempting to do histology.
Jackie O'Connor HT(ASCP)
Abbott Laboratories
Global Pharmaceutical Research and Development
Discovery Chemotheraputics
Abbott Park, IL
Jackie.O'Connor@abbott.com
"Hoye, Glenda
F. (Fka To: Don Skaggs
,
Hood)" histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
Subject: RE: The future of
Histotechs
10/23/2002
02:53 PM
Another of my 2-cents....
ASCP actually took out a full-page ad in the Biology Teachers journal or
magazine recently, with information about the laboratory fields certified
by
ASCP as a viable option for biology-minded people.
Also, there's nothing wrong with targeting even younger audiences -- get
involved with elementary, middle and high schools for career day
participation
- -- you don't have to be smooth, just excited about your jobs! NSH and
ASCP
have materials that you can use as hand-outs, or take some slides to show
under a scope -- maybe a section of a hot dog or a a worm for the little
ones!
All this talk is great! keep it up and get us into action!
Glenda Hoye, again
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 17:15:58 -0500
From: "Diane G. Miller"
Subject: Re: The future of Histotechs
Hi Vinnie,
Thank you for the information, I wish I had known sooner. I have given
lectures at High Schools and also on the teachers level, in county regional
teacher's seminars, and would have liked to have had that available.
There are people out there like: (I just noticed Tim listed this website)
Caroline Schooley
Project MICRO Coordinator
Microscopy Society of America
Box 117, 45301 Caspar Point Road
Caspar, CA 95420
Phone/FAX (707)964-9460
Project MICRO: http://www.msa.microscopy.com/ProjectMicro/PMHomePage.html
Intertidal invertebrates: http://www.fortbragg.k12.ca.us/AG/marinelab.html
She works with the microscopy group to promote interest and assist
teachers
and schools throughout the country in providing information. Maybe it
would
be worth while for NSH to setup and provide the same kind of effort,
working
with those of us in the field that want to help educate and provide
information.
Just a thought.
Diane
Diane G. Miller
Miller Consultant Service
503-784-6444
millerd@coho.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinnie Della Speranza"
To: ;
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
> Don and others,
>
> I'll jump in now because Don's question points out to me that many are
> unaware that Sakura has prepared a career video for the NSH that is
> available from the NSH office. I think it runs about 15 minutes and
> explain what we do in histology and how one can enter the field. They
> also publish a career booklet entitled "The ARt and Science of
> Histotechnology" that includes a listing of histo programs. Don't hold
> me to this last piece but I think I heard that Sakura may be updating
> the booklet and video now. the booklet I have was printed in 1995
>
> These materials are available through the NSH office to anyone who has
> an interest in speaking to local high schools. When I was region 1
> director several years ago, I obtained career videos and booklets for
> each state in the region so that those states could encourage and equip
> individuals like us at the local level to speak to the kids in high
> school. Obviously NSH doesn't have the resources to send people to speak
> at your local high school but it can provide you with resources that
> will help you to do so.
>
>
>
> Vinnie Della Speranza
> Manager for Anatomic Pathology Services
> Medical University of South Carolina
> 165 Ashley Avenue Suite 309
> Charleston, SC 29425
> Ph: 843-792-6353
> fax: 843-792-8974
>
> >>> Don Skaggs 10/23/02 09:17AM >>>
> Tim Morken wrote:
>
> "I feel the real issue is that people are unaware the field even
> exists."
>
> I believe Tim hit the nail on the head, and now I feel compelled to
> throw in my 2 cents. Is there any way histology could be promoted at a
> high school level? With all it's hands-on science, I think histology
> could be a very interesting part of a high school biology class. Or it
> could even be integrated into some broader college science classes.
> Which leads me to another question: who could/would promote it? NSH or
> state societies? Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If you
> build it, will they come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind here.
>
>
> "You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul Harvey
>
> Don Skaggs
> dskaggs@mindspring.com
>
>
>
>
>
Diane G. Miller
Miller Consultant Service
503-784-6444
millerd@coho.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinnie Della Speranza"
To: ;
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
> Don and others,
>
> I'll jump in now because Don's question points out to me that many are
> unaware that Sakura has prepared a career video for the NSH that is
> available from the NSH office. I think it runs about 15 minutes and
> explain what we do in histology and how one can enter the field. They
> also publish a career booklet entitled "The ARt and Science of
> Histotechnology" that includes a listing of histo programs. Don't hold
> me to this last piece but I think I heard that Sakura may be updating
> the booklet and video now. the booklet I have was printed in 1995
>
> These materials are available through the NSH office to anyone who has
> an interest in speaking to local high schools. When I was region 1
> director several years ago, I obtained career videos and booklets for
> each state in the region so that those states could encourage and equip
> individuals like us at the local level to speak to the kids in high
> school. Obviously NSH doesn't have the resources to send people to speak
> at your local high school but it can provide you with resources that
> will help you to do so.
>
>
>
> Vinnie Della Speranza
> Manager for Anatomic Pathology Services
> Medical University of South Carolina
> 165 Ashley Avenue Suite 309
> Charleston, SC 29425
> Ph: 843-792-6353
> fax: 843-792-8974
>
> >>> Don Skaggs 10/23/02 09:17AM >>>
> Tim Morken wrote:
>
> "I feel the real issue is that people are unaware the field even
> exists."
>
> I believe Tim hit the nail on the head, and now I feel compelled to
> throw in my 2 cents. Is there any way histology could be promoted at a
> high school level? With all it's hands-on science, I think histology
> could be a very interesting part of a high school biology class. Or it
> could even be integrated into some broader college science classes.
> Which leads me to another question: who could/would promote it? NSH or
> state societies? Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If you
> build it, will they come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind here.
>
>
> "You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul Harvey
>
> Don Skaggs
> dskaggs@mindspring.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 17:16:25 -0500
From: Jeff Silverman
Subject: Crystal Mount Artifact.
Anissa Try using more Crystal Mount and spreading it well past the section
before drying the sections a little slower (in a cooler oven). These are
minute air bubbles in the dried medium. Or maybe its something in the
detergent. But I have seen this before. You can wash the old Crystal Mount
off with gentle washing in water and try again.
Jeff Silverman
Southside Hospital
Bay Shore NY USA
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 17:17:03 -0500
From: Vinnie Della Speranza
Subject: Re: The future of Histotechs
Diane,
you might also be interested to know that the ASCP has a powerpoint
presentation on its board or registry website. click on program
directors and you will see material that can be downloaded
try this link
http://www.ascp.org/bor/directors/
the presentation isn't great but it could be modified and improved to
put a more detailed illustration of what we do in the discipline
Vinnie
>>> "Diane G. Miller" 10/23/02 05:02PM >>>
Hi Vinnie,
Thank you for the information, I wish I had known sooner. I have
given
lectures at High Schools and also on the teachers level, in county
regional
teacher's seminars, and would have liked to have had that available.
There are people out there like: (I just noticed Tim listed this
website)
Caroline Schooley
Project MICRO Coordinator
Microscopy Society of America
Box 117, 45301 Caspar Point Road
Caspar, CA 95420
Phone/FAX (707)964-9460
Project MICRO:
http://www.msa.microscopy.com/ProjectMicro/PMHomePage.html
Intertidal invertebrates:
http://www.fortbragg.k12.ca.us/AG/marinelab.html
She works with the microscopy group to promote interest and assist
teachers
and schools throughout the country in providing information. Maybe it
would
be worth while for NSH to setup and provide the same kind of effort,
working
with those of us in the field that want to help educate and provide
information.
Just a thought.
Diane
Diane G. Miller
Miller Consultant Service
503-784-6444
millerd@coho.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinnie Della Speranza"
To: ;
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
> Don and others,
>
> I'll jump in now because Don's question points out to me that many
are
> unaware that Sakura has prepared a career video for the NSH that is
> available from the NSH office. I think it runs about 15 minutes and
> explain what we do in histology and how one can enter the field.
They
> also publish a career booklet entitled "The ARt and Science of
> Histotechnology" that includes a listing of histo programs. Don't
hold
> me to this last piece but I think I heard that Sakura may be
updating
> the booklet and video now. the booklet I have was printed in 1995
>
> These materials are available through the NSH office to anyone who
has
> an interest in speaking to local high schools. When I was region 1
> director several years ago, I obtained career videos and booklets
for
> each state in the region so that those states could encourage and
equip
> individuals like us at the local level to speak to the kids in high
> school. Obviously NSH doesn't have the resources to send people to
speak
> at your local high school but it can provide you with resources that
> will help you to do so.
>
>
>
> Vinnie Della Speranza
> Manager for Anatomic Pathology Services
> Medical University of South Carolina
> 165 Ashley Avenue Suite 309
> Charleston, SC 29425
> Ph: 843-792-6353
> fax: 843-792-8974
>
> >>> Don Skaggs 10/23/02 09:17AM >>>
> Tim Morken wrote:
>
> "I feel the real issue is that people are unaware the field even
> exists."
>
> I believe Tim hit the nail on the head, and now I feel compelled to
> throw in my 2 cents. Is there any way histology could be promoted at
a
> high school level? With all it's hands-on science, I think
histology
> could be a very interesting part of a high school biology class. Or
it
> could even be integrated into some broader college science classes.
> Which leads me to another question: who could/would promote it? NSH
or
> state societies? Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If
you
> build it, will they come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind
here.
>
>
> "You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul Harvey
>
> Don Skaggs
> dskaggs@mindspring.com
>
>
>
>
>
Diane G. Miller
Miller Consultant Service
503-784-6444
millerd@coho.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinnie Della Speranza"
To: ;
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
> Don and others,
>
> I'll jump in now because Don's question points out to me that many
are
> unaware that Sakura has prepared a career video for the NSH that is
> available from the NSH office. I think it runs about 15 minutes and
> explain what we do in histology and how one can enter the field.
They
> also publish a career booklet entitled "The ARt and Science of
> Histotechnology" that includes a listing of histo programs. Don't
hold
> me to this last piece but I think I heard that Sakura may be
updating
> the booklet and video now. the booklet I have was printed in 1995
>
> These materials are available through the NSH office to anyone who
has
> an interest in speaking to local high schools. When I was region 1
> director several years ago, I obtained career videos and booklets
for
> each state in the region so that those states could encourage and
equip
> individuals like us at the local level to speak to the kids in high
> school. Obviously NSH doesn't have the resources to send people to
speak
> at your local high school but it can provide you with resources that
> will help you to do so.
>
>
>
> Vinnie Della Speranza
> Manager for Anatomic Pathology Services
> Medical University of South Carolina
> 165 Ashley Avenue Suite 309
> Charleston, SC 29425
> Ph: 843-792-6353
> fax: 843-792-8974
>
> >>> Don Skaggs 10/23/02 09:17AM >>>
> Tim Morken wrote:
>
> "I feel the real issue is that people are unaware the field even
> exists."
>
> I believe Tim hit the nail on the head, and now I feel compelled to
> throw in my 2 cents. Is there any way histology could be promoted at
a
> high school level? With all it's hands-on science, I think
histology
> could be a very interesting part of a high school biology class. Or
it
> could even be integrated into some broader college science classes.
> Which leads me to another question: who could/would promote it? NSH
or
> state societies? Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If
you
> build it, will they come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind
here.
>
>
> "You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul Harvey
>
> Don Skaggs
> dskaggs@mindspring.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Diane,
you might also be interested to know that the ASCP has a powerpoint
presentation on its board or registry website. click on program directors
and
you will see material that can be downloaded
try this link
the presentation isn't great but it could be modified and improved to
put
a
more detailed illustration of what we do in the discipline
Vinnie
>>> "Diane G. Miller" <millerd@coho.net>
10/23/02
05:02PM >>>
Hi Vinnie,
Thank you for the information, I
wish
I had known sooner. I have given
lectures at High Schools and also
on
the teachers level, in county regional
teacher's seminars, and
would
have liked to have had that available.
There are people out there
like: (I just noticed Tim listed this website)
Caroline
Schooley
Project MICRO Coordinator
Microscopy Society of America
Box
117, 45301 Caspar Point Road
Caspar, CA 95420
Phone/FAX
(707)964-9460
Project MICRO: http:/
/www.msa.microscopy.com/ProjectMicro/PMHomePage.html
Intertidal
invertebrates: http://www.fortb
ragg.k12.ca.us/AG/marinelab.html
She
works with the microscopy group to promote interest and assist
teachers
and schools throughout the country in providing
information.
Maybe it would
be worth while for NSH to setup and provide the same kind
of
effort, working
with those of us in the field that want to help educate
and
provide
information.
Just a thought.
Diane
Diane G.
Miller
Miller Consultant
Service
503-784-6444
millerd@coho.net
-----
Original Message -----
From: "Vinnie Della Speranza"
<dellav@musc.edu>
To: <dskaggs@mindspring.com>;
<histonet@pathology.swmed.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002
12:24
PM
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
> Don and
others,
>
> I'll jump in now because Don's question points out
to
me
that many are
> unaware that Sakura has prepared a career video for
the
NSH that is
> available from the NSH office. I think it runs about 15
minutes and
> explain what we do in histology and how one can enter
the
field. They
> also publish a career booklet entitled "The ARt and
Science
of
> Histotechnology" that includes a listing of histo programs.
Don't
hold
> me to this last piece but I think I heard that Sakura may be
updating
> the booklet and video now. the booklet I have was printed
in
1995
>
> These materials are available through the NSH office
to
anyone who has
> an interest in speaking to local high schools. When
I
was
region 1
> director several years ago, I obtained career videos and
booklets for
> each state in the region so that those states could
encourage and equip
> individuals like us at the local level to speak
to
the kids in high
> school. Obviously NSH doesn't have the resources
to
send people to speak
> at your local high school but it can provide
you
with resources that
> will help you to do
so.
>
>
>
> Vinnie Della Speranza
> Manager
for
Anatomic Pathology Services
> Medical University of South
Carolina
>
165 Ashley Avenue Suite 309
> Charleston, SC 29425
> Ph:
843-792-6353
> fax: 843-792-8974
>
> >>> Don
Skaggs
<dskaggs@mindspring.com> 10/23/02 09:17AM >>>
> Tim
Morken
wrote:
>
> "I feel the real issue is that people are unaware
the
field even
> exists."
>
> I believe Tim hit the nail on
the
head, and now I feel compelled to
> throw in my 2 cents. Is
there
any way histology could be promoted at a
> high school level?
With
all it's hands-on science, I think histology
> could be a very
interesting
part of a high school biology class. Or it
> could even be
integrated into some broader college science classes.
> Which leads
me
to
another question: who could/would promote it? NSH or
> state
societies? Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If
you
>
build it, will they come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind
here.
>
>
> "You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul
Harvey
>
> Don Skaggs
>
dskaggs@mindspring.com
>
>
>
>
>
Diane G.
Miller
Miller Consultant
Service
503-784-6444
millerd@coho.net
-----
Original Message -----
From: "Vinnie Della Speranza"
<dellav@musc.edu>
To: <dskaggs@mindspring.com>;
<histonet@pathology.swmed.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002
12:24
PM
Subject: RE: The future of Histotechs
> Don and
others,
>
> I'll jump in now because Don's question points out
to
me
that many are
> unaware that Sakura has prepared a career video for
the
NSH that is
> available from the NSH office. I think it runs about 15
minutes and
> explain what we do in histology and how one can enter
the
field. They
> also publish a career booklet entitled "The ARt and
Science
of
> Histotechnology" that includes a listing of histo programs.
Don't
hold
> me to this last piece but I think I heard that Sakura may be
updating
> the booklet and video now. the booklet I have was printed
in
1995
>
> These materials are available through the NSH office
to
anyone who has
> an interest in speaking to local high schools. When
I
was
region 1
> director several years ago, I obtained career videos and
booklets for
> each state in the region so that those states could
encourage and equip
> individuals like us at the local level to speak
to
the kids in high
> school. Obviously NSH doesn't have the resources
to
send people to speak
> at your local high school but it can provide
you
with resources that
> will help you to do
so.
>
>
>
> Vinnie Della Speranza
> Manager
for
Anatomic Pathology Services
> Medical University of South
Carolina
>
165 Ashley Avenue Suite 309
> Charleston, SC 29425
> Ph:
843-792-6353
> fax: 843-792-8974
>
> >>> Don
Skaggs
<dskaggs@mindspring.com> 10/23/02 09:17AM >>>
> Tim
Morken
wrote:
>
> "I feel the real issue is that people are unaware
the
field even
> exists."
>
> I believe Tim hit the nail on
the
head, and now I feel compelled to
> throw in my 2 cents. Is
there
any way histology could be promoted at a
> high school level?
With
all it's hands-on science, I think histology
> could be a very
interesting
part of a high school biology class. Or it
> could even be
integrated into some broader college science classes.
> Which leads
me
to
another question: who could/would promote it? NSH or
> state
societies? Possibly some pathology product manufacturers? If
you
>
build it, will they come? Somebody tell me if I'm out of my mind
here.
>
>
> "You cannot un-ring a bell." - Paul
Harvey
>
> Don Skaggs
>
dskaggs@mindspring.com
>
>
>
>
>
I received a BS in biology and found my career path in Histology.
In
addition, my college offered a semester long histology course-which I took
not
knowing what I was getting my self into-ha:) I currently work in a contract
lab that concentrates on animal tissues.To add some demographics from my
place
of employment the majority of my coworkers are 30 and younger -4 have their
BS
in biology with a HTL, 8 more employees with a BS in biology and 5 with
A.S.
in histology with their HT. From other comments I assume this is unusual,
but
maybe this will give some hope that there are some youngsters learning the
trade.I didn't know about Histology until my college course. Perhaps,
getting
colleges and universities to offer courses would be an avenue to open up
more
career paths.
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 18:32:02 -0500
From: DArquette@aol.com
Subject: Procedure RE-Write
When would you rewrite a procedure? When it becomes Clinical, Analytical in
Histology. Would you use a new tissue processor (New Model) if you did not
change your procedure (processing times are the same as the old model).
This
would apply also to your new stainer. Thoughts.
Dennis
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When would you rewrite a procedure? When it becomes
Clinical,
Analytical in Histology. Would you use a new tissue processor
(New Model) if you did not change your procedure (processing times are the
same as the old model). This would apply also to your new stainer.
Thoughts.
Dennis
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