Re: [Histonet] RE: QIHC change
THANKS, to all who answered and understand why both Jamie and I - as well
as many others are so out of sorts with ASCP at times. We are all
histologists with something to offer the field and it is something I have
always been proud of, just not happy with the way ASCP treats research people.
Pam
At 01:27 PM 11/16/2005, Colleen Forster wrote:
>I agree with Pam ...completely. I too do research and I am HT certified
>because I started in the clinical route. While in the clinical lab I
>tested for the QIHC. It has been a GREAT benefit for me in my research
>positions and I encourage all people pursuning histology work weather
>research or clinicla to get registered. One never knows what turns life
>might take and the added skills/knoweledge will be a benefit!!
>
>ASCP definitiely needs to widen their range!
>
>Colleen Forster
>U of MN
>
>Pamela Marcum wrote:
>
>>Hi Tim and Jamie,
>>
>>I know Jamie and have for many years and you are right anyone would be
>>happy to hire him for his experience in clinical or his current research
>>position. However, it is also true that now research positions are often
>>asking for at least an HT or even HTL (ASCP) to fill position with
>>histology as the main focus. Yet we are given a set of criteria for
>>tissue that often excludes animal research applicants from completing the
>>practical easily. I took my HT many years ago and I was told that even
>>in a research position (and I had a BS at the time) it would improve my
>>salary and increase me to higher level in the university if I got my
>>HT. I was told not to use animal tissue (1976) as no one reading the
>>exam could properly read them.
>>Now we have veterinary person there and tissue requirements can still
>>eliminate some people or make it almost impossible to complete the
>>practical with out help in procurement. Why should that happen to some
>>one attempting to improve their position within the histology community?
>>
>>My real problem with what you said about the QIHC is that I would also
>>like to take it and can not qualify either. Yet those of us in research
>>are often finding the very antibodies and test methods companies and
>>diagnostics later fight to get or learn. We are exempt in your mind and
>>ASCP's even though research is what you depend on often for advances. I
>>have never and will never understand this logic and exempt status for
>>those of us who chose not to be clinical. We are still often required
>>to have or get ASCP status as a way to advance and prove we know our
>>field. ASCP needs to get up to date on the fields it is registering or
>>make new categories for those of still contribute to clinical advances
>>every year.
>>
>>Sorry if sounds like I am picking on you Tim. I just don't see how we
>>are required to be registered on one hand for acceptance (even NSH likes
>>to see it) and discounted on the other.
>>
>>Pam Marcum
>>UPENN Vet School
>>New Bolton Center
>>Kennett Square, PA 19384
>>610-925-6278
>>
>>
>>At 12:07 PM 11/16/2005, Morken, Tim - Labvision wrote:
>>
>>>Jamie, It seems from what you say that you are working in a research lab. Is
>>>that correct? My understanding about the ASCP certification is that it is
>>>aimed at providing a modicum of proof that a person is qualified to work in
>>>a medical diagnostic lab. Research labs are not considered diagnostic labs.
>>>As you imply, a person in a research lab will often work on only a limited
>>>sample set. Therefore, it is meaningless to apply the the ASCP standard to
>>>research people.
>>>
>>> If you are planning to move into the diagnostic field, then I'll bet you
>>>could easily find a job in a diagnostic lab, get the experience, and qualify
>>>to take the test. It may be that some diagnostic labs have a suggested
>>>requirement to be ASCP certified as a QIHC, but the vast majority would be
>>>happy to find someone with the experience you outline, even if they had not
>>>previously worked in a diagnositc lab.
>>>
>>>Tim Morken
>>>Lab Vision - Neomarkers
>>>www.labvision.com
>>>
>>>Free webhosting for US State Histotechnology Societies:
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>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>>>[mailto:histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of James Watson
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:28 AM
>>>To: novanity@nc.rr.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>>>Subject: RE: [Histonet] RE: QIHC change
>>>
>>>
>>>This is my point. With the requirements listed below someone with 25 years
>>>of experience doing immuno (single, double, triple antibody staining, making
>>>own antibodies, and in situ Hybridization: all with and without using kits,
>>>all with and without using an automated stainer) is not qualified for this
>>>certification if they work in a research facility where immunophenotyping is
>>>not done. There is no system of doing it on your own to prove that you have
>>>the capability to do immunophenotyping in order to fullfil this requirement.
>>>I guess it is time to start harrassing ASCP about the unfairness of this
>>>system.
>>>
>>> >From almost always sunny San Diego
>>>Jamie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu on behalf of
>>>novanity@nc.rr.com
>>> Sent: Wed 11/16/2005 5:55 AM
>>> To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
>>> Cc:
>>> Subject: [Histonet] RE: QIHC change
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James, to qualify for the qualification you take the 50 question
>>>test
>>> and submit an employer reference form + of course satisfy one
>>> of the
>>> three routes. There is no practical to submit anymore. I think
>>>that is
>>> what you are asking. It seems to me that it wouldn't matter about
>>> specificity antigens/markers or what diseases or human
>>> cells. There
>>>is
>>> no requirement other than what is requested on the employer
>>>reference
>>> form which you can't see the details until you order and receive
>>>your
>>> packet. Is it possible for anyone to post a copy of the employer
>>> reference form. From the ASCP website this is what it says "
>>>
>>> Qualification in Immunohistochemistry
>>> Experience requirements
>>>
>>> Applicants must have experience in the following areas
>>>
>>> * Immunohistochemical and Immunofluorescence Preparation
>>> All of the following should have been performed by the
>>>applicant
>>> o staining technique
>>> o selection of proper control material
>>> o titration of immunologic reagents
>>>
>>> * Immunophenotyping
>>> in at least one of the following applications
>>> o immunodeficiencies
>>> o immunoproliferative disorders (neoplastic and
>>>non-neoplastic
>>> disorders)
>>> o transplantation biopsies
>>> o other immunophenotyping applications
>>> please specify: ______________________
>>>
>>> * Quality Assurance
>>> The applicant should have participated in Quality Assurance
>>> related to all of the following
>>> o specimen fixation, processing, microtomy
>>> o reagent selection, preparation, storage, disposal
>>> o method selection, validation, documentation
>>> o quality control
>>> o safety
>>>
>>> " This is the experience which I am assuming is only
>>> documented for
>>>the
>>> ASCP through the employer reference form, hence if you only do
>>> A and
>>>C
>>> and not B you can't qualify unless your employer is dishonest
>>> on the
>>> form. Because even if you crosstrain into what I assume is flow
>>> cytometry but don't actually work it day to day as part of your job
>>>you
>>> do not qualify because you have not had experience doing it for a
>>> minimun of 12 months. As for research, same thing if you do all of
>>>it
>>> every day then your good to go. If not it is a grey or is it gray
>>>area
>>> that I'm looking more information/details on. In the past you
>>> qualified your work with different immuno stains as a practical , I
>>> don't remember there being a flow requirement. Maybe I'm wrong but
>>> anyone have this info I'm looking for.
>>>
>>> G Hurlburt HT(ASCP)
>>> sunny and warm NC
>>>
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