RE: FW: OT - The Story of Histonet

From:"Horn, Hazel V" <HornHV@archildrens.org>

absolutely!!!!!     I second that appreciation!!!    Thank you Dr. Margraf,
Dr. Hagler and Marvin Hanna.
hh

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bartlett, Jeanine [SMTP:jqb7@cdc.gov]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:20 AM
> To:	'Marvin Hanna'; Karen Larison
> Cc:	histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
> Subject:	RE: FW: OT - The Story of Histonet
> 
> And we appreciate all that you and Dr. Margraf and Dr. Hagler do!
>  
> Jeanine Bartlett, HT(ASCP)
> Centers for Disease Control
> Infectious Disease Pathology Activity
> Atlanta, GA  30333 
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Marvin Hanna [mailto:mhanna@histosearch.com]
> 	Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:47 PM
> 	To: Karen Larison
> 	Cc: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
> 	Subject: Re: FW: OT - The Story of Histonet
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> 	Karen Larison from Oregon writes: 
> 
> 
> 	>The histonet serve is a wonderful service, and we get it for free.
> I 
> 
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> 	>don't know who pays for it, maybe an NIH grant? 
> 
> 
> 	Hi Karen, 
> 
> 
> 	Prehaps some background information on Histonet would be useful. 
> 
> 
> 	Back in January, 1996, Linda Margraf, M.D. and Herb Hagler, Ph.D.
> from the University of Texas - Southwest Medical Center looked around the
> Internet and found a number of listservers for pathologists, like the
> patho-l list from Emory University, but none for histology. While the
> pathology listservers were funded with big unix servers, $100,000 software
> packages and full time network administrators, Histonet had it's humble
> beginnings on a 6100/60 Mac. About a year ago, Herb upgraded the server to
> a 5400/180. The Histonet listserver is made available by the insight and
> generosity of Dr. Margraf, Dr. Hagler and the University of Texas
> Southwest Medical Center. 
> 
> 
> 	With Dr. Margraf as Histonet's administrator, and Dr. Hagler as the
> computer guru, Histonet has flourished over the last five years as a
> resource for histology professionals worldwide. As some of you are sending
> emails about duplicate messages or Histonet being down, you can bet Dr.
> Hagler is already working on overcoming the system crashes and network
> outages that have caused the problem. His uptime percentages on the
> server, sending as many as 100,000 messages a day, is remarkable. 
> 
> 
> 	After a couple of years, it was apparent that a lot of valuable
> histology information from the contributors to Histonet was being deleted
> every day. There were also many messages asking questions that had already
> been discussed. I was running a specialty search engine for pathology at
> the time, Pathsearch. I determined that the software I was running with it
> could also set up a searchable archive of Histonet. After getting Dr.
> Margraf's approval, I set up the Histonet archives in early 1999. 
> 
> 
> 	Late in 1999, I had to take the server (Mac 8500) down for some
> self-inflicted system crashes and while I had it down, someone stole the
> pathsearch domain name (OK, I forgot to renew) and then notified me it
> would cost $10,000 to get the domain name back. 
> 
> 
> 	So, welcome to Histosearch. In early 2000, I put the server back up
> at <http://www.histosearch.com> as a specialty search engine for histology
> with the Histonet archives located at
> <http://www.histosearch.com/histonet.html>. 
> 
> 
> 	Dr. Margraf, Dr. Hagler or myself do not receive monetary
> compensation from Histonet, but neither do the many contributors to
> Histonet, who put in many hours to share their knowledge with us. 
> 
> 
> 	BTW, I have recently added a second computer for just the search
> software, where I also run site search services for web sites. A few
> people have told me they could access the web pages from the server, but
> not the search function (which was on a non-standard port, 8080), beacause
> some network administrators don't allow access to them. The search
> function should work fine now for these people since it now runs on the
> default port, 80. 
> 
> 
> 	Best Regards, 
> 
> 
> 	Marvin Hanna 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 	>The histonet serve is a wonderful service, and we get it for free.
> I 
> 
> 
> 	>don't know who pays for it, maybe an NIH grant? And we're asking 
> 
> 	>those people who provide this wonderful free service to pay for 
> 
> 	>larger servers so that we can indulge in conversations about
> flowery 
> 
> 	>twats? And we're asking them to pay an employee to edit out these 
> 
> 	>conversations from the archives? If we continue to abuse this 
> 
> 	>wonderful free service in this manner, will it continue to be free?
> 
> 
> 	>And do we deserve this free service when we thoughtlessly abuse it 
> 
> 	>with this endless patter? 
> 
> 	> 
> 
> 	>Sorry folks. I'm a bit appalled by attitudes of the members of this
> 
> 
> 	>list serve. If this list serve is supported by federal grants, I'd 
> 
> 	>prefer that my tax money go to educate kids in the ghettos than to 
> 
> 	>support your need for pleasant conversations. 
> 
> 	> 
> 
> 	> 
> 
> 	>Karen in Oregon 
> 
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> 	>>I used to believe myself to be a reasonably patient person but the
> 
> 
> 	>>number of messages that are off topic (and I realize that I am
> adding to 
> 
> 	>>it with this one) is getting beyond a joke. 
> 
> 	>>You may not have considered that some email systems have a limit
> to the 
> 
> 	>>number of messages that can be stored. Once it is full, any new
> messages 
> 
> 	>>are sent back to the original source and no more messages can be
> stored 
> 
> 	>>until the box is at least partially cleared. This can easily
> happen if 
> 
> 	>>we are away from the office for some days. 
> 
> 	>>The problem is not with the original off topic message but rather
> the 
> 
> 	>>large number of responses. I feel that responses to questions like
> "what 
> 
> 	>>can we call a lab" could be sent directly" to the individual who
> asked 
> 
> 	>>the original question. They could then collate these and provide
> all of 
> 
> 	>>us with one or two emails concerning the responses. 
> 
> 	>> 
> 
> 	>>I like the Histonet to include some off topic items to lighten the
> 
> 
> 	>>workday but the MAIN purpose of the Histonet was, I thought, to 
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> 	>>exchange histology information. 
> 
> 	>>Barry 
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