RE: [Histonet] EGFR -

From:"Richard Cartun"

I don't think you need a machine to score the EGFR immunoreactivity.

Richard Cartun

>>> "Sennello, Gina"  03/15/04 05:25PM >>>

I was wondering if those of you who use the ACIS by ChromaVision to
your Hercept slides are planning to use it to score the EGFR PharmDx? 
If so
I would be interested in knowing what criteria will be used to.  We do
do Hercept but are looking at EGFR PharmDx.

Gina Sennello
Associate Scientist/ Histotechnologist

2860 Wilderness Place
Boulder, CO

phone 303-546-7739
fax      303-444-0672

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Cartun [] 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: [Histonet] EGFR - My thoughts

Approximately two years ago, I said to my colleagues that EGFr testing
would make HER-2/neu testing look like "a walk in the park" (i.e, very
simple).  We tested DAKO's EGFR kit back then and compared it to the
monoclonal that we were using at the time (clone 31G7 from Zymed). 
Although the results were similar (but not identical), the mAb from
Zymed consistently produced stronger immunoreactivity which was easier
to evaluate.

Like you, we have received many requests during the past 3 weeks from
our clinical colleagues to test their patients' colorectal tumors for
EGFR so that they can be considered eligible for treatment with
"Erbitux" (the anti-EGFR mAb drug).  Although I started with the Zymed
mAb, I am now convinced that this testing must be performed with
DakoCytomation's "EGFR pharmDx" kit (primarily for reimbursement
issues).  Although the kit works well, I find the resulting
immunoreactivity very difficult to score (this is true with the Zymed
mAb as well).  Most tumors have shown what I call "wishy-washing"
staining that, if it were HER-2, I would call it negative.  However,
are instructed to score it 1+ "Positive".  I find it difficult to
believe that "Erbitux" will help a patient whose tumor shows rare to
focal immunoreactivity and often less intense than normal cells
in the same  tissue section; however, I am not familiar with the
clinical trials and patient outcomes.  I have also noticed EGFR
variability from block to block in the same patient when we have
multiple tissue blocks.  In addition, in my experience, it is very
unusual to find a tumor that shows the classic "3+" staining pattern
that we see with c-erbB-2 (HER-2/neu protein) in breast CA's with
obvious gene amplification.

It will be interesting to see where we are 6 months to a year from now
with EGFR testing.

Richard Cartun
Director, Immunopathology
Hartford Hospital
Hartford, CT

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