RE: RE: Re: [Histonet] processing fatty tissue

From:"patsy ruegg"



Just curious, how do you dispose of mineral oil and what does it cost
compared to xylene?  Do you have to pay for haz mat shipping?
Patsy

Patsy Ruegg, HT(ASCP)QIHC
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-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:27 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Fwd: RE: Re: [Histonet] processing fatty tissue

For "general enjoyment" from 2 "old timers".
  James McCormick and RenÚ J.

Rene J Buesa  wrote:
  Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:18:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rene J Buesa 
Subject: RE: Re: [Histonet] processing fatty tissue
To: "McCormick, James" 
CC: Doug Martin , 
"Drew N. Mehta" , 
Lamar Jones , Maxim Peshkov 

  Dear Dr. McCormick:
  I could not have said it better! Your description of tissue components
being GENTLY awashed by succesive flows of chemicals in low gradients of
different chemical actions is what exactly exists in any procedure that
intercalates between the different steps leading to the substitution of
tissue water with the infiltrating medium.
   
  That is the rationale behind using EthOL at increasing concentrations from
a "quite shocking" 60% start (could be gentler, although TAT imposes
restrictions and limitations on "tissue processing gentleness").
  Once the tissues have been "completely traumatized" at the end of the
dehydration, the following "chemical shock" is given by the antemedium,
usually the "infamous and noxious xylene" to end with the "soothing" effect
of the paraffin.
   
  That is the rationale of my procedure of eliminating the harsh xylene
effect with the combination of alcohols and "liquid paraffin" = mineral oil.
In my procedure by mixing ethanol + isopropanol + mineral oil, and in
Maxim's modification by mixing propanol and mineral oil only.
  Nothing new about using propanol, it has been in use to dehydrate since
the early twentieth century, and now recently has been "resurrected" as the
dehydrant of choice and sole chemical between the tissue water and the wax,
as in the technology in use by the Peloris
  instrument which uses hight "instantaneous" temperatures to "dry-out" the
tissue to eliminate the propanol and leave it "open" to the wax influx.
  I personally would never treat a tissue sample so harshly but you know how
tissue preferences go, they are like beauty, all in the beholder's eyes.
  For me tissue processing should be gentle though.
   
  Being an "old timer" like me, you should remember the fantastic results we
used to obtain when clearing tissue with Canada balsam, the precaution to
cover the floating dehydrated tissue with a piece of filter paper moisted in
ethanol to prevent the tissue to dry-out, and you should also remember that
the tissue itself "said" when "I am ready for infiltration", after going to
the bottom of the container, before being quickly washed with benzene.
Remember those days? And also how long it took to infiltrate? And how soft
they were to section?
  Again TAT chastised all of us and dictated quicker but NOT better
procedures.
   
  Mixing alcohols and mineral oil, during protocols that take the same time
as with other methods that include xylene, ease infiltration and help the
histotech to section better, thinner and get rid of xylene as well.
  Just a thought you "provoqued" with your dancing image!
RenÚ J.

"McCormick, James"  wrote:
  Rene J.
As I am familiar with much of the "antique" instruments and tissue 
processing methods............your writing helps me to understand the 1860's
use of essential oils to dehydrate and clear tissue for "tallow"
infiltration and later paraffin waxes.....one molecule after another "holds
hands and changes partners" that we might call "the line dancing of tissue
processing for histotechnology" .
Kindest regards, 
Jim,
J.B.McCormick,M.D.


-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-bounces@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:53 AM
To: Maxim Peshkov; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Histonet] processing fatty tissue

Maxim:
My answer to Robert without the attachment.
RenÚ J.

Rene J Buesa wrote: 
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:48:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rene J Buesa 
Subject: Re: [Histonet] processing fatty tissue
To: Robert Chiovetti 

Robert:
The procedure is attached. The fundament is a GENTLE dehydrant substitution
by the infiltrating agent (paraffin) and ELIMINATES the use of an antemedium
(xylene).
The general function of an antemedium is the ability to be the "connection"
between the dehydrant and the wax (paraffin) because it mixes with both.
Xylene (as well as white naphtha or some other aromatic chemicals) can do
this, BUT the thing is that mineral oil (MO) IS paraffin of a low molecular
weight so the antemedium is not needed or a mixture of MO with alcohols
constitutes the antemedium.
My procedure uses EthOL to dehydrate and later the antemedium is substituted
by the mixture of EthOL + Isopropanol + MO
Maxim has simplified the procedure because he process manually and don't
have the advantage of vacuum or pressure or agitation as I did when
developed the method.
So it turns out that Maxim's modification is easier and more direct; he just
dehydrates with propanol and later goes into the gentle substitution with a
mixture of 5 parts of propanol + 1 part of MO heated at 50║C followed by
another mixture of 2 parts of propanol + 1 of MO heated also at ║C to obtain
the gentle and complete infiltration of ANY type of tissue.
The infiltration with MO gives the tissues a softness never achieved with
any other antemedium. You will see when you try it.
Maxim's method is simpler than mine and, in the long run, will be more
acceptable to all histotechs and also meets the objective of eliminating
xylene from the histology lab.
The procedure uses 2 chemicals that are cheaper and when needing to be
disposed off, the propanol can be evaporated, the used MO mixed with used
paraffin and both disposed off as a solid, cutting costs also in disposal.
Try it, you will like it! 
RenÚ J.

Robert Chiovetti wrote: 
Maxim, Rene (and Other Histonetters),

That's interesting re: using either a mix of ethanol+isopropanol+mineral oil
(Rene) or isopropanol+mineral oil (Maxim) for breast tissue. Could you share
your recipes with us? 

I have a customer (derm path) who could probably benefit from this for
larger and thicker skin specimens which sometimes have a lot of subcutaneous
fat associated with them.

Thanks in advance, if you could share the recipes!

Cheers,

Bob

Robert (Bob) Chiovetti, Ph.D.
Southwest Precision Instruments
The Desert Southwest's Microscopy Resource
Tucson, Arizona USA
Tel./Fax 520-546-4986
www.swpinet.com
Member, Arizona Small Business Association
(www.asba.com)








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