Re: NADPH - again
|From:||Ronnie Houston <Ronnie.Houston@tsrh.org>|
I think the problems being encountered here higlight the dangers associated with treating histology/histochemistry as a cooking book recipe technology.
It is imperative that anyone employing a demonstration technique, whether it be a simple H&E or a complex enzyme histochemical reaction, be familiar with the chemistry behind the reaction, so that it is easier to troubleshoot.
There have been many convincing arguments over the years about whether histology is an Art or a Science. I am not going to get drawn into that at this stage, but this does highlight the importance of knowing what you are doing and why, and what to look for when things go wrong.
If the profession continues to go down the recipe route, it does not bode well for the future.
Cytochemistry & Molecular Pathology
Texas Scottish Rite Hospital for Children
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Dallas, TX 75219
(214) 559 7744
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>>> Lee & Peggy Wenk <email@example.com> 07/19/01 06:56PM >>>
Just a few thoughts.
1. Any chance it is NOT fresh frozen tissue? In other words, it's
fixed frozen, or worse, fixed processed? This is an enzyme
destroyed by fixation.
2. Is the pH of the TRIS buffer correct? Sometimes, even with
adding the correct amount of reagents, the pH is not 7.4, due to
the d. water having some contaminations (which it shouldn't but
sometimes does), or the HCl is old, so not as acidic.
If not correct, adjust with dilute HCl or more TRIS. (I think
dilute Sodium hydroxide could also be used to raise the pH.)
3. Are the amount of NBT and NADPH correct? For 10 mL of
buffer, add 0.01 g NBT and 0.004 g NADPH. Sheehan lists
it in mg, so sometimes it gets converted to grams incorrectly.
4. Is it NADH/NADPH? There is a NAD and a NADP, without
the Hydrogen, that can be bought. You need the type with the
hydrogen, which will get released by the patient's enzyme. The
hydrogen will the bind to the NBT, and reduce the NBT to a
blue formazan compound.
My top four reasons why it won't work. Let me know if
any of these work. I'm curious.
By the way, for when your procedure starts working - we do
not counterstain. Also, after rinsing in water in step 5, we run it
up through alcohols and xylene, and then coverslip with synthetic
mounting media. We do not see any loss of intensity, and the
pathologist love it, as resolution is better and the slides can be
stored easier and last forever, compared with aq. mounting media.
Good luck to you and your colleague.
Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)
William Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, MI 48073
----- Original Message -----
From: "LINDA GORMAN" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:55 PM
> Help! A co-worker is trying to do NADPH for the first time and is
> getting no reaction. He is doing procedure from 2nd edition of
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