Try

Lendrum, A.C. and McFarlane, D. (1940) J. Path Bact., 50, 381 (Quoted in my
fourth edition of Carleton)

Were you a subscriber to the journal at that time Russ?

All joking aside Bill Slidders lectures on trichromes were works of art.  I
have never seen such beautiful preparations.

Andy Shand



-----Original Message-----
From: RUSS ALLISON [mailto:Allison@Cardiff.ac.uk]
Sent: 30 January 2003 09:31
To: J. A. Kiernan
Cc: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
Subject: Re: Trichrome staining.


I have a feeling that Lendrum was involved in using celestine blue / 
haemalum  sequence, but, like you, have been unable to reference it.
Unfortunately, Bill Slidders, who worked with Lendrum more latterly, 
has now retired and is not very well, I understand.
As an old friend, I might otherwise been able to call him.

Date sent:      	Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:33:18 -0500
From:           	"J. A. Kiernan" 
Subject:        	Re: Trichrome staining.
To:             	Tony Henwood 
Copies to:      	'Ian Montgomery' ,
	histonet@pathology.swmed.edu

Tony raises an interesting point. I haven't been able
to find the original publication of iron-celestine
blue followed by haemalum, which has been popular
for many years in the English-speaking world outside
North America. There are plenty of published references
but all the ones I've seen cite secondary sources.

Even the superb 796-page fifth edition of "The 
Theory and Practice of Histological Techniques" 
(Bancroft & Gamble, 2002) gives a procedure with
no references or even speculation about how the
method works. There are plenty of old papers about
iron-celestine blue B alone as a nuclear stain. Why
is it advantageous to follow it up with a haemalum?
-- 
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John A. Kiernan
Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology
The University of Western Ontario
London,   Canada   N6A 5C1
   kiernan@uwo.ca
   http://publish.uwo.ca/~jkiernan/
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Tony Henwood:
> Remember that Celestine Blue is made up in 5% iron alum (ferric ammonium
sulphate). So is its stability, in the face of the trichrome
> acidic stains, due to an iron mordant rather than the celestine blue dye
itself. ?very much like an Iron Haematoxylin stain like
> Weigert's!!
>  
> I like  the Celestine blue/Haematoxylin sequence as well.
>  
> Just a thought!!
>  
> 
> Tony Henwood JP, BappSc, GradDipSysAnalys, CT(ASC)
> Laboratory Manager
> The Children's Hospital at  Westmead,
> Locked Bag 4001, Westmead, 2145, AUSTRALIA.
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Ian Montgomery [mailto:ian.montgomery@bio.gla.ac.uk]
>     Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 1:59
>     To: histonet@pathology.swmed.edu
>     Subject: Trichrome staining.

Ian Montgomery: 
>     Although a well executed Weigert is superb for a Masson I still stand
by my
>     Celestine blue/Haematoxylin sequence. Over the years I've used it
repeatedly and always
>     get beautiful staining. If like me your in the process of staining
~500 slides with a Masson
>     then the ease and reproducibility of the Celestine blue/Haematoxylin
sequence has a lot to
>     commend it. 
>     Ian.
> 
>     Dr. Ian Montgomery,
>     Histotechnology,
>     Graham Kerr Building,
>     Institute of Biomedical & Life Sciences,
>     University of Glasgow,
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Russ Allison, 
Dental School
Cardiff
Wales