RE: Third class countries?

From:Andrew Partain

I think the point Augustine was trying to make is that there is a noticeable
and negative connotation concerning both the phrase 'third world' and the
idea that those countries house 'third class' working-professionals;
including those in a clinical, research and tech-driven environment.

I think there exists a happy medium in where those of us who are US citizens
can both be patriotic and prideful as well as taking into consideration the
negative effects our truly powerful republic, unlike Argentina at this time,
can have on the rest the world.  Especially, given that what makes us so
powerful is the often and historical exploitation of our more improvised
neighbors(human capital) and their natural resources(all Latin American
countries for starters.)

Not to overly dissect and trivialize the phrase: "of the people, for the
people, and by the people", but that sounds awfully simplistic, and
resembles the censored and adulterated rhetoric given to second graders.
Also, if you take into account both present immigration statistics and a
good census of nationalities in labs across the country, you will find those
at work at our facilities, and who we work with hand-in-hand, to be people
of the "third world".

Just a thought...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dawson, Glen []
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:29 AM
> To: Agustín Venzano; HistoNet Server
> Subject: RE: Third class countries?
> Agustine,
> I don't recall EVER referring to the Argentine Republic as "Third
> World" so
> you should save the diatribe for whomever it was that did and
> leave the rest
> of us out of it.  I do need to shed some light on a few things for you
> though.  Your assumption that researchers in the capitolist
> pigdog USA have
> unlimited funds is WRONG.  Your assumption that only researchers in your
> country sacrifice and perform miracles is WRONG.  Like most
> histotechs here,
> I live from check to check with very little room for
> extravagance, so, don't
> hate us because we are all rich, hate us because we live in a
> country of the
> people, for the people, and by the people because THAT is why you should
> truly be envious.
> Glen A. Dawson  BS, HT & IHC (ASCP)
> Lead IHC Technologist
> Milwaukee, WI
> -----Original Message-----
> From: =?UNKNOWN?Q?Agust=EDn?= Venzano []
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:16 AM
> To: HistoNet Server
> Subject: Third class countries?
> Dear Histonetters: My dear fatherland, the Argentine Republic, belongs to
> the South American "Third World" a rather despective topic
> referred to in a
> recent
> Digest. You are right, we belong to the Third World, but just as to our
> awful economic status. Don't you ever make the mistake to judge a  foreign
> country on the basis of material aspects, leaving aside its human being's
> spiritual value!
> Many Argentine cytizens are as valuable as First World's people
> and they are
> certainly as clever as, or even more intelligent than them!
> We Argentine researchers form part of the Argentine Republic, so the above
> mentioned principles should be applied to us as well. Do you know
> what's the
> major difference between Argentine and American, European or Japanese
> researchers?
> Just one= The budget they have at their disposition, including
> their wages'
> level. Let's put  forth an example :Our Institute, the National
> Institute of
> Agricultural Research (INTA) is
> formed by top level specialists ( Please make a proper
> interpretation of the
> term "Specialists" as this one is meant for both scientists and
> technics) in
> Agronomic,
> Veterinary, Biological, etc. Sciences. Most of us have achieved a
> MSc or PhD
> degree
> or attended training courses abroad.  All of us do love our job,
> but due to
> our spoiled economy
> the funds of all Argentine federal Institutions such as INTA have been
> severely restricted,
> so we often have to perform miracles to carry out our duties. The current
> INTA's budget is hardly enough to pay salaries and basic
> operating services
> such as electric power, gas, telephone and Internet. There are no
> funds for
> Investigation! All research groups get financial support through
> cooperation
> agreements with private companies or with fully developed foreign
> countries,
> or
> instead by performing charged analysis.
> I'm sure that my country's situation will improve in the future,
> otherwise all of us should commit suicide! But there are the love of our
> wives and children, the love of people suffering hunger and
> misery, the love
> for our jobs, the love for our fatherland and many other values,
> which help
> us keeping up with Argentina's economic disaster.
> Sincerely yours Histonetters
> Agustin Jose Venzano Halliburton
> DVM-Pathology Group
> INTA Castelar, Argentina

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